Frozen Metaphors: Mental Illness and LGBT “Representation”

Frozen Metaphors: Mental Illness and LGBT “Representation”


I was very determined not to like “Frozen.” And I have my reasons. Super lazy and generic art, the lack of people of color, Same-Face Syndrome, the appropriation of Sami culture, removing a ton of female characters from the
original fairy tale and leaving us with two. And from what I’d seen of the trailers I was certain
the snowman was going to annoy me. But I ended up really liking it. Olaf included. I loved the majority of the music, it was funny, I thought it was great how Elsa’s
lack of boyfriend wasn’t a big deal. I thought it was a fun and enjoyable movie. And listening to the audience react to the Hans
reveal was always hilarious. [Swelling music from Frozen] “Oh Anna, if only there was
someone out there who loved you.” Oh, hell no! You mother– What surprised me most about “Frozen” was how
strongly I identified with both of the female characters. Like Anna, I say weird things
without meaning to, I start talking before I finish
the sentence in my head. My approach to relationships has
been to fall too hard and too fast. And I rush into things all the time without
thinking them all the way through. Like Elsa, I enjoy being alone. Sometimes I’m quiet and reserved. I feel guilt for the times I’ve lashed out at my
brother, family, friends, boyfriend, and for the times that
they’ve seen me break down. Feeling overwhelmed by anxiety, shutting myself away from the people I care about
because it’s easier than confronting my problems. I think it’s safe to say that Disney has never
made a character like Elsa before. While the theme of isolation for being different is
something that Disney does quite a lot, I don’t think it’s ever been as
intense as it is with Elsa. A lot of people see Elsa’s powers and how she deals
with them as a metaphor for mental illness. But I don’t see it that way,
and by that I mean: I think we’re meant to know that Elsa suffers
from some kind of mental illness. It’s not based solely on subtext. If we put Elsa in a modern setting and
took away her ice powers, there would still be things about her character
that would indicate mental illness. The ice powers are there to
make the story more interesting, and to help kids understand Elsa’s behavior by giving
a physical manifestation of her illness. Because I’m going to assume that most kids don’t
recognize depression or social anxiety disorder And Elsa exhibits these kinds
of qualities quite plainly. And Elsa exhibits these kinds of qualities quite plainly. she convinces herself that she’s a
danger and a burden to her family, she bottles up her fear until it culminates in a mental
breakdown in which she accidentally hurts her sister. While we can’t know what she
would’ve done, I get the distinct feeling that if Elsa had seen Hans
about to go all Game of Thrones on her, she might not have done
anything to stop him. she might not have done anything to stop him. Because mental illness is this huge thing that
society doesn’t really like to acknowledge. And a lot of it comes down to the fact that the stories
about mental illness are usually filled with And a lot of it comes down to the fact that the stories about mental illness are usually filled with violence or death. Even when that doesn’t happen,
we hardly ever see it get better. Like, Monk’s been going to therapy for 7 years,
and he’s stayed the same. While obsessive compulsive or bipolar disorder
isn’t something that can really be cured, While obsessive compulsive or bipolar disorder isn’t something that can really be cured, whether it’s through therapy
or prescribed medications or both. And that’s something really
awesome about “Frozen.” While Elsa gaining control and
melting the ice at the end is much more of a convenient epiphany than
fleshed out character development, I think it’s obvious that it’s Anna’s support and
Elsa’s willingness to accept that support I think it’s obvious that it’s Anna’s support and Elsa’s willingness to accept that support that helps her melt the ice. And that shows people
that it can get better, that mental illness isn’t this hopeless thing that
will keep you broken forever, or that you have to face it alone. That getting help is nothing to be ashamed of, and
in fact, not doing so can be dangerous. And I think it’s worth mentioning that this
idea is conveyed with two sisters. Instead of having a romantic
interest sweep in and BAM! Problem solved. And of course, you want your significant other to
be there for you if that is your situation, but all too often we see stories where someone’s mental
illness is fixed by being in a relationship. That’s another thing. Elsa doesn’t end up with a guy. It’s not even implied that
she’ll eventually come around. And it’s also not a crucial part of her story. While Hans kind of mentions it, Hans: Elsa was preferable of course, but
no one was getting anywhere with her. It seems that Elsa being single is not questioned
or odd to the people of Arendelle. Which is good. Considering how asexuality and women specifically
choosing not to be in a relationship, often really confuses people, it’s cool that we’re shown a story where a woman makes
that decision and it’s not a major plot point. Like with Merida before her, Elsa’s lack of a romantic storyline often makes people
think about whether or not she might be a lesbian. And that’s a valid argument: that her ice powers are representative of having
to conceal a sexual or gender identity. Hooray for subtext! Because that’s all it is. It’s a story that a lot of people can put
themselves into, and that’s great. But that doesn’t do anything for the positive
representation of those people in real life. And we shouldn’t be applauding Disney for
representation they didn’t give us. Which unfortunately happens a lot. We’re getting to a point where we see more and
more of those stories being told. Because it’s important to see transgender stories, and
lesbian stories, and gay stories and bisexual stories– It’s all important! But it’s all on shows meant for adults. Even though those aren’t things that only
adults should know about. [Exasperated sigh] I’m tired of the lgbt community having to only see
themselves through subtext in children’s stories. It’s like saying, [Condescending voice]
Yes, we acknowledge you, Laverne Cox. But we don’t want children to know about you,
how will we explain it to them? Which is really sad because Laverne Cox is a
gift to this cold and cruel world. And let’s be serious, besides the fact that there are a lot
of people that it might upset, what reason does Disney for
not showing those characters? Unless we’re going to be showing something
that’s actually inappropriate for children, like a sex scene or something,
there’s no good reason. But wait… We show–we show straight people…in kids
movies all the time without sex scenes. A transgender version of Cinderella would
make so much sense is all I’m saying. And that’s not to say that we need a
transgender version of Cinderella, there’s no reason that Disney
can’t make something completely new. Just like with Elsa and her story. Let me know what you guys
think in the comments. If you liked this video, thumbs up, and if you want to see more of these kinds of videos,
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Comments

(100 Comments)

  • Marychan Kawaii

    Same face syndrome something I've suffered from and aye anxiety my "best" friend

  • Potato Kitty

    People would boycott it, and don't get me wrong! I am all for a lgbt+ character. I just understand why Disney is afraid to do it, because there is alot of homophobia and transphobia, would they loose alot of potential customers because people boycott the movie? And if it where a cisgender straight person, would they make more money?

    I'm not saying it is a good reason, I was just saying they have one.

  • Difficulty Duets

    i really, really, really hope that Elsa is homosexual homoromantic, aro/ace, or asexual homoromantic
    that would make me SO HAPPY HOLY CRAP

  • Steph Piano

    I suddenly really love Frozen? Also I think I'm in love with you

  • Marble Woolf

    I liked frozen when I saw it in theaters, but the marketing killed it for me. Now I can't hear let it go without feeling sick.

  • dragongirl37582

    I feel bad because I feel the writers were trying to make Elsa stand on her own but also reconcile with her sister.

    What should be the main focus is how she's carrying the weight of her country on her shoulders with the fear they might reject her.

    All this talk about wanting her to be a part of the LBGQT community so you can feel included is unnecessary; when everyone has a fear of rejection (except Tom Cruise, don't mess with that guy).

    The argument for "more representation to increase tolerance" isn't necessary either since if try to raise awareness for something that isn't personality-based. It comes off pointless because people of color or LGBTQ don't automatically have struggles in life.

    I hope Disney sticks to its roots and continues to make movies everyone can relate to.

    P. S. Sorry for leaving such a long comment. You're very pretty!😊

  • venus is dead

    oh. my. god. it’s a CHILDRENS MOVIE. chill. the fuck. out. it’s not that deep.

  • Lambchop2.0

    I rolled my eyes throughout that intro. Everyone is white because it is FRIKKING SET IN 1500 NORWAY! Same face syndrome? Or those three characters are actually related. Firstly, Ana and Elsa are SISTERS and Rupunzel is their COUSIN! And about the supposed appropriation of Saami culture… I would love to hear what you actually know about It other than you probably read them being an indigenous minority group that still struggle with many issues regarding land and whatnot…

  • Necco Dealer

    “Lack of people of color” it’s in… Northern Europe???? And not modern day??? Why would there be people of color??????????????????

  • needy for love

    0:43 I’m deaddddd

  • denvitadroppen

    They were all white because it took place in Norway in like 1500… And if you ask about the Sami-people, they live inland and up in the contry aca not where this movie is placed. I dont know were you are from but you would probably know this if you were from the scandinavian or nordic contries. And during this time it was also not certain that the sami-people and the wite population were in that much contact, because of the diffrent locations the people-groups chose to congergate to. The wite people went to the coast because fishing and sami-people went inland because reindeers… Next time please dont bring up this argument about POC when you dont know all the facts. But it was intresting hearing you´re point of view =)

  • Lid ya

    La feu from Beauty and the Beast though, a lot of subtext but no development. (especially in the recent live-action film)

  • dionysos46

    Elsa character would have been interesting… if the whole thing wasn't to discard heterosexual romances from viewers who stayed opened mind to a gentle lesbian couple of girl. Frozen is more a nuisance to me, and you'll win nothing at the end, as BatB 2017 proved it.
    She doesn't respect my fantasy universe, I feel no need to respect her, especially how she enjoyed to screw everyone in Let it Go.
    And no people with depression issues wants to waste their time in this universe of social monsters called Arendelle, it's just a nasty, unsafe place to live, even in fantasy.

  • Stephanie Boyd

    Watching a few of your videos, I feel as though you often jump on the bandwagon of cultural appropriation in movies. Sometimes you do have good points and you are right. But more often than not I see that you have a flawed way of thinking and make a problem out of nothing. Did you actually talk to any people from Sampi decent, or did you assume they were or should be offended? I think you have good intentions and I hope maybe you see this.

  • Mackenzie F

    This was incredibly powerful, wow. I get emotional in the movie too, but your analysis of Elsa’s mental illness was on another level

  • Ben From Canada

    This channel's pretty class

  • couchmermaid

    Oh a trans Cinderella would be amazing

  • Greta J.

    As a nordic person I gotta say, there was no appropriation of sami culture. Literally the dresses the characters wore in Frozen barely even reminded any traditional dress in any nordic countries. If there hadn't been any ice in the movie you couldn't even tell it was supposed to be set in some northern country.

  • Dellidandy

    Just as a disclaimer, I am fully supportive of the LGBT community. I love to see representation and I hope to see so much more. That being said:

    I get that people are really looking into this trying to find LGBT themes or representation but that just plain isn't the case. That wasn't the point. If you had looked at the recurring narrative throughout the movie there was an emphasis on family and what family means. Families that are close and distant, families that are large and small, families that are overprotective or not enough, adoptive families, estranged families. Love isn't always about romance, there are multiple kinds of love. Familial love. Because Ana was the only person in Elsa's life who meant anything to her, and that love was all that she needed. The only argument that I can see in the direction of being a deviation from the norm to that degree is the concept of not needing a romantic relationship to find success in life. Ana was the traditional Disney princess who wanted a prince and all Elsa wanted was to be loved.

    Saying that this is a LGBT nod is just the same as saying that this is giving an incestuous nod and we all know how that would pan out.

  • QueeenBeee

    "same face syndrom" honey theyre mother sister and sister what do you expect

  • Amber Spath

    As a girl who's gay and bipolar I really related to her character. Wish Disneywas more straight forward about these topics. Pun intended

  • Majestic Squares

    Stop trying to make EVERY Disney movie about your culture. None of this shit is about LGBT, it's about love between two sisters! Just because Elsa doesn't have a love interest, doesn't mean she's a fucking lesbian. It just means that she doesn't have a love interest at the moment because she has more important this to worry about, like running a fucking kingdom. Let It Go has absolutely NOTHING to do with the LGBT community, it's literally just about Elsa letting go her powers and finally being free without people being afraid of her. I have no idea why that screams GAY.

  • Dove Cameron

    0:43 IM DYING!!!!!

  • Déa Lepage

    Lmao I’m guessing this video is p old bc she totally excludes herself from the lgbt community in this 😂 using “their” instead of “our” lol v no homo 😂 I only laugh because I relate ✌🏻

  • Skankhunt42

    T-the appropriation of… Sami… Culture…

    You know that fucking story is set in Norway? In Nordic countries atleast?
    A loooooong time ago??
    That equals loots of white people, and honey, SAMI PEOPLE.

  • The person Who lurks.

    I swear to god if you say Elsa is gay or something

  • MelodiesBlue

    I'm just wondering why Sophia the first was flashed up in the corner. What does she have to do with LGBT?

  • yeshto

    well she only developed those mental illnesses because of her ice powers she was more sociable before the trolls scared her after she injured anna

  • TheaterRaven

    I'm all for LGBTQ characters, but claiming Elsa is a lesbian simply because she doesn't spend the movie pursuing a guy and is still single by the end of the film seems rather silly. People would laugh if that was said about a male character: "Well, he hasn't found a wife and is focusing on himself and his career, so clearly he's gay."

  • Mailee Mae

    I sorta think there was a lack of differently colored people because it was set in a Scandinavian country.

  • girlwholoves popcorn

    I think Disney should focus more these days on helping kids find their identity and express themselves, basically focus on evolving themselves and growing instead of showing the usual romantic interests….

  • Rosalina Han

    Im Mexican and growing up I never saw any princesses or Disney characters who looked like me, acted like me, or had social anxiety. And I never noticed the lack of Mexican characters until I was older, when people started pointing it out. Growing up my favorite princesses were people I looked up to. I loved Tiana the most because she was hardworking, smart, kind, and determined. I wanted to work hard like her and not take the easy way out and identified with her the most despite not looking anything like her, or growing up at all like her. I know for others not seeing themselves could take a toll on them as everyone's different but I never felt like I wasn't important or not beautiful because of what I saw in movies. If anything my insecurities stemmed from other kids in my class, not fictional characters.

  • your average meme

    Hey….Hey guess what
    2019
    Frozen 2
    Elsa's getting a girlfriend, it's confirmed. But you made good points about LGBT representation in films and I hope we get much more of that!

  • meg nemo

    social anxiety disorder can be caused by trauma and im sorry but having powers that are linked to your emotions that can seriously hurt or kill people could be entirely responsible for Elsas mental issues. i can say this because i have mental illnesses that were caused by extreme situations out side the normal scheme of things. Given Elsas situation and traumas i dont think its unusual or indicative of any kind of unusual sexual proclivities that she didnt pair up with anyone by the end of the movie. i dont think you have any way of knowing Elsas sexual nature based on anything in the movie. Given how habitual other peoples best interests are to her and how dutiful she is even if in the future Elsa reveals asexual gay or gender dysphoric tendencies. given that she is the queen she will most likely be responsible for producing the next heir to the thrown and out of that obligation marry the most suitible prince available.

  • Qs-ii

    I personally hate it when movies are centered around the whole "Uh oh, I'm a minority" trope.

    Instead of setting people apart, make them show up as normal people who just happen to be gay, or trans. It doesn't have to grasp all of the attention and feel overly forced.

  • HotCocoaLover

    Appropriation of Saami culture???? Are you drunk? My mother's family is Finnish Saami and we loved seeing our culture represented in mainstream media. Stop assuming offense for others ffs.

  • Theo Salmon

    one reason you thought you weren't gonna like the movie was not enough people of color in fairy tale Norway?

  • omg hey there

    almond blossoms – van gogh – i have that on my wall too 😀 😀 😀

  • Maeve M

    Are you saying that Elsa is a depressed, socially anxious, asexual female?! Because that's literally me.

  • Yas

    The reason people want Elsa to be gay is because it was too good of an opportunity to miss. They left Elsa without a romantic interest, what do you expect would happen, with the outrage of the LGBT community towards the lack of representation (ESPECIALLY in animated movies). Even though I believe that she really doesn't need a romantic interest, I would really like to see myself represented correctly and this is the perfect opportunity to do it.

  • Future Child

    The lack of people of color? Are you also going to complain about Mulan or the new Black Panther movie. Whats wrong with a society of 100% white people or the white race. You self hate is causing and calling for the extinction of white people/race. How are you any different then a racist. You are a racist of white people.

  • Future Child

    The reason for not showing the LGTB is because they are a MINORITY, that means that the MAJORITY, want to see only a representation of themselves. If you want to force people, you shouldn't be supriced that people are going to hate you.

  • Future Child

    An on the topic of Saami. I think you can be more apologetic for the Van Gogh behind you. As a fellow Dutch person as Van Gogh I'am offended by you lack of respect to use that painting as wallpaper.

  • omer dassa

    mmm aren't sami count as people of color? how it is decided what ethnicity is of color? do you have to be non-pale?

  • A fabulous Aquamarine trashcan

    1.) How did people see Sofia the first as Representation?

    2.) as an asexual person, I would love to one day see a character who is actually asexual

  • Carly A.

    i know that this video is super old but uhhh no mention of idina menzel?? maureen johnson?????

  • MissMoontree

    I just thought the ice was there because she was the snow queen. But they did connect that to her mental state, and I liked that 🙂 Elsa connects to many people because her struggles.

  • Cookiecat 33

    It's so weird for this to not happen in Disney films, cuz Disney channel is going full on LGBT characters, such as the two moms in Good luck Charlie where it was present in a episode, but not shown as a problem, and a gay character main character in one their shows.

  • Michelle Ren

    Except Disney is maybe making Elsa gay they released in frozen two they want to make her gay but they got so much parents backlash that now it’s an maybe.

  • oatmeal

    My thoughts

    Just because someone is single, doesn’t mean their gay. I do believe Elsa had mental illness’s and she knew what Han was doing and she was going to let it happen. If Disney is going to have an LGBT prince or princess then they should make a new one for the simple reason of keeping the characters who they were written to be. For example, if Disney made a reboot of Cinderella and turned her trans, people would be upset Because that’s not how her character was intended to be. I would love to see an LGBT Disney character, but not one who has already been created.

  • Betty Bane

    Disney doesn’t have to be the ONLY animation studio to have queer representation. Call out Pixar, Dreamworks, etc. they don’t do it either

  • Cassidy Rose

    I would absolutely love Elsa to have a girlfriend in a sequel to Frozen. YAY. LGBT representation! But not all members of the LGBT+ community are strictly homosexual. I think Elsa's LACK of romantic storyline would hint at her being aromantic and asexual.

  • QueenCloveroftheice

    I like to think of Elsa as autistic because she exhibits a lot of the same characteristics that I have and a lot of others in the autistic community have. It would also help support the asexuality angle because a lot of people with autism tend to either be asexual or demi. (There are exceptions, of course. I'm just saying that I've noticed asexuality is more common among those with autism than those who are not autistic.)

  • Alana Mount

    I feel like this video brings up a lot of good points about Frozen and representation. While I would LOVE to see a lesbian or bisexual Disney princess, I feel like #GiveElsaAGirlfriend would not be a good way to do it because since Elsa is already an established character who has an identity on her own, adding in a character who'd most likely be a satellite love interests would be a pretty poor, if not also uninteresting first lesbian/bisexual Disney princess romance.

  • Wake me Up inside

    Tbh I don’t see why not having people of color is a problem, but I agree with most of the points. Except Disney would get so much backlash for putting anything remotely lgbt in any movie. And I think it’s because parents don’t want their children to know about that stuff at an early age. I know that my mom is like that even tho I’m 14

  • Kinene

    well iceo-olation

  • Milli W

    Try being Latino where is our Disney movie… oh wait they couldn't have a Latina princess because she would be the queen right 🙂

  • Alex Wilson

    As a trans, asexual and Not-Strait person I see myself in Elsa, she is not afraid of being hurt or killed, she is afraid of others getting hurt or hurting them. This is important to me

  • koko kiyah

    I’d rather a new lgbt+ princess then Elsa be one (frankly cuz I’m annoying with Disney sequels)

  • Hecate Mist

    The Prince and the Dressmaker by Jen Wang is kind of a transgender Cinderella story – or at least a Cinderella story that explores gender identity. Fairytale drag queens? I'm not sure, but it looks really cool!

  • Iridescent Aurora

    Completely off topic, but I just find the color composition of this video to be so…
    ✨Aesthetically Pleasing✨

    You, in your golden yellow top, in front of all that blue and green artwork… yes.

  • Haleemah

    Girl, Not Monk THO!

  • Atlantis_Song

    Frozen’s been out for like five years now and I never thought about Elsa having a mental illness. Like wow. That makes so much more sense.

  • UltimateKyuubiFox

    When you said trans Cinderella, I kinda fazed out and got stuck thinking about it.

    The scene of her putting on her mother’s dress to go to the ball and having it get torn up by her stepsisters while she’s wearing it? Then her fairy godmother magically enchanting it beautiful, like fuck.

  • Anarchist Anime Cat Girl

    2:12 Something with captions is messed up.

  • Katie says u rock Watterson yay

    I think it would be great if Elsa was gay, because it would be good representation and would let young people who may not have been exposed to the LGBT+ community understand that it's nothing to be ashamed of.
    What I don't get is why people assume that the only possible explanation for not having a love interest is being gay, when having a love interest just wouldn't have fit in to the story.

  • daChaosKitty

    "what reason does Disney have for not showing those characters?"
    Money.

    >_> Well, that was an easy answer.

  • Aguasaurio

    Those great arguments from the first 19 seconds tho

  • Aleyna Inlow

    I know this is an old video but didn’t Disney say they may be making Elsa gay in frozen 2? Plus there was a gay family in frozen! In the sauna house 🙂

  • etem braka

    my whole opinion about this video….i love frozen and i dont want analysis about it…….but i was addicted to that picture and questioning myself if i can get one too…or is just made by you

  • Agustina Kazuyo

    My mom was watching Frozen for the first time and she literally JUMPED FROM HER SEAT and shouted "SHE'S A TRANS GIRL!!!! LOOK! SHE WAS A PRINCE AND NOW SHE'S A PRINCESS OF HER OWN PALACE!" and I was like woah the subtext is very hard to miss if my Catholic small town raised Latina mother who doesn't know what the difference between transgender and transexual is got it

  • tigerstriper

    I have a a bit of an internal conflict when it comes to "bestowing" LGBT representation on to characters, specifically female characters in cartoons. On one hand, we always need more Queer representation. But on the other hand when we have strong female characters who don't end up with guys in the end, and then people say, oh they're a lesbian, give them a girlfriend, it sends a message, that the only reason why a woman would choose to be single, or not date a man, is because she's a lesbian. Almost as if these women need an excuse to not be interested in a specific man, whether or not the man seems worthy of her regardless (note the prospects in Brave) . In other cases, it can also strengthen stereotypes people have about gay women, such as, having masculine qualities (such as liking to fight or being powerful) implies the woman is not straight. There have also been cases, for example, Legend of Korra which actually did end up making their protagonists bi-sexuality canon, where the lesbian relationship negates other messages. In the case of LOK, the show had put effort into showing a strong female friendship, and how these bonds can be powerful and more important than male attention which is surprisingly lacking in media. But by making the two characters end up in a relationship, it sort of negated that message. So I guess, what I'm saying is we need more stories about lesbians, but not about lesbians who are lesbians because they weren't interested in the three male characters in the movie. We also need more examples of strong, women, who are single, not because they're secretly gay, but because the people around them understand and respect that women can be straight, without being required to swoon over every or any man who crosses her path.

  • Tea Talk

    Hey I was just wondering about your thoughts on the Saami in reference to frozen. Also I am sort of confused on your use of the phrase POC. I am of Saami heritage and to my knowledge it's more of an ethnic minority rather then racial minority. I know there was SOME North Asian genetic influences but not any major ones. I apologise if I am getting this all wrong, I don't know a lot about this part of my family history and certainly do not look the part (I get my looks from my fathers side who is indigenous australian so i don't exactly look very Saami to begin with, although my sister looks more Saami then I – she has a much fairer complexion – anyhow I am getting sidetrack now yikes) thanks, I'd love to hear your input sorry for the long comment

  • Snaketooth 09

    At first I was sceptical about your Cinderella comments, but I then watched the retelling "Jamie" and it all made sense.

  • BTbleSsed

    I think they use subtext for children's movies because they're children with adult parents. Even if it would be beneficial to show a gay or lesbian story outright, the parents are the ones paying to take the kids to the movies. Some parents will think it's inappropriate (even though it's not) and that gives Disney a bunch of problems and loss of revenue they're not willing to risk. As time goes on a older executives in Disney are replaced by younger ones, we'll hopefully get more queer, independent characters and more characters of color as well. It's crazy to me that we have a bunch of white princesses, and only one black one, not to mention we got an Asian, Arabian, and Native American princess literally 20 years prior, even though those demographics are generally even bigger minorities than black people. It's like Disney made an effort to put having a black princess on hold, like it wasn't important to them at all. But anyways, excuse my rant, love your channel, and keep exposing inequality in the film realm girl.

  • Averon God of fire

    Lesbi-serious

  • Donovan Delaney

    Don't forget disability. Elsa has a disability.

  • Donovan Delaney

    Frozen makes no sense. There are some historically inaccurate moments. There's no guns and the castle wall and gate are historically inaccurate. Anna would not have been able to put Hans Westerguard in charge.

  • Donovan Delaney

    It's likely that one day Elsa will have a split personality. Who are you? I'm Dark Elsa. I won't hurt you. "Don't be afraid. Scientists are not supposed to fair evalution!" – Devil Hulk. "Never underestimate the power of snow and ice!" – Dark Elsa.

  • Donovan Delaney

    Last time I checked it can be cured. Anything is curable! Science.

  • Donovan Delaney

    Who? I don't know who that actor is.

  • Lena Storm

    If you want same sex couples in something owned by Disney, watch "Once Upon a Time". There are two lesbian couples and a homosexual female charakter that isn't in a relationship.
    About Merida: People say that she is either homosexual or asexual (wich of course wouldn't be a bad thing. I would like that). But I think that's a verry strange thing to say! I mean, people should remember that a) she is only sixteen (!) and b) she is forced to marry! Of course nobody wants to marry if they aren't allowed to marry when and whom the want!! Everybody would hate that!!

  • Marwig20

    Lack of people of colour?! It Is sett in Norway in the 18 hundredths.

  • Chris Kinch

    If an entire town throws you out and tries to kill you once they see "your powers." Then you would have stayed in a room your whole life too. That's not mental illness. It's not mentally ill to be right.

    "I better stay in my room, because when people find out WHAT I really am, they're going to leave me, exile me, hurt me, and even kill me"

    Steps out of her room for the first time in like 16 years or something:
    "Whoops, my ice came out."

    "KILL HER, SHE'S A MONSTER! EXILE HER!"
    "Yep i was right."

    There is nothing mentally ill about that scenario. In fact, it shows a brain is actually working up there. She wasn't delusional in the least bit. She had REASON to be afraid, and fear others- because of what she was told would happen, WOULD happen.

    There is nothing mentally ill about being right. And when your a minority like LGBT, that's what happens to you when you reveal what you are. Especially transgender stuff. When you talk to people about your problems- they might not want to kill you, but they will exile you.

    The fact a human being has anxiety, fear, and hides from the world because they are know bad shit will happen when they come out- leave her room. Is not delusion. It's reality. They can''t just come out, cause look what happens!

    That's a reality privileged, successfully conforming people don't understand. Because all of those fuckers, clearly don't have ice shooting out of their hands. Where they will never be considered a leper, or a monster, ever in their lives.

  • Dafina Braithwaite

    I don't think children's movies are a place to address sexuality. I think they should strive to be age appropriate. The old school Disney Princesses were way too young to be in relationships for today's standards. It made sense back then but today our girls don't have to get married at say 13 and they now have the right to work. I would prefer that Disney start introducing LGBQT+ parents in their movies as a way to be inclusive and educational. I appreciate characters like Elsa, Moana and Merida who do not have relationships on their radar. Because in my opinion they're too young to be looking for the love of their lives. Save it for college age please. Elsa may be old enough to START "dating" (she's 18) but she needs to be completely comfortable and love herself before she can be in a healthy relationship. Just my opinion. Kids are too grown these days. 13yr olds should not be pregnant when I was 13 I was having conversations with a boy I liked on the bus only. Sexuality and sex were not on my radar.

  • Jose C

    i i doubt like that ever happend that else Will be lesbian  bseide elsa is based on the ice queen  and whe kno that icn queen prefers  men or more precisely Boys very Young Boys.

  • Effeffia Gonalick

    I like headcanons claiming a character is gay, bi, trans, etc., but it really bugs me when these headcanons with no confirmation in the original source itself somehow pass as representation. Like, I’ve had people say things to the tune of, “[Character] might be gay, isn’t that enough?” No, no it’s not.

  • theMoporter

    Saying the ice powers represent mental illness is very problematic. Ice powers are cool and good, and Elsa was only suffering and anxiety because of the way her parents and countrymen treat her. That could be a good metaphor if it was for, say, autism, but not for depression or anxiety or bipolar or OCD. Mental illnesses bring suffering as a rule.

    Being LGBT makes more sense – there was nothing wrong with Elsa, just like there's nothing wrong with being queer, and she was stigmatised by her parents and society in the same way transphobes accuse trans people of corrupting children etc. It's not a perfect metaphor either, but it certainly makes far more sense for her to be suppressing fabulous ice sexuality as an analogue for queerness than for anhedonia.

  • TIFFANY PERSAUD

    Thanks for the video. I don’t get the LGBTQ subtext but perhaps that’s just me. I do get the mental illness subtext, from the first few scenes of the movie. Her parents did a number on her by their fear, then they up and died early. They were coaching her to be so suppressive of her emotions. That lack of her expression and physical touch and comfort damaged her, her relationship with them, and her relationship with her sister who looked up to her. No wonder she grew up a recluse and had developed anxiety that caused her to lash out at the only one she had left for family. The whole “Let it Go!” scene was unnerving to me because while freeing of her emotional suppression she was being a recluse even more as she was abandoning her responsibilities as a ruler and sister, not even realizing she left Arendel to freeze over during summer and perhaps even perpetually to even be accountable for it. This reality she plunged herself into was dangerous – so it made sense when her sister compromised her “safe house” by urging her to return, she lashed out. There is so much there. Everyone belts out that song (I do too) but at the same time, first viewing, I found it unnerving. I don’t know if that was what Disney was going for, but between the Trolls and the Snowman it kind of lost me there, sorry.

    I know these films are not adult films so it most likely will lack the depth I enjoy, but then again some family movies are very well done with depth. i know that Frozen is meant for the whole family and will need something for the kids, hence the Trolls and the Snowman and children Elsa and Ana playing, etc. That may attract them there but what do they take away from the film? Children are very sensitive and impressionable and will take note of a sisterly relationship. They practice empathy from a tender age and would have felt for Elsa’s isolation and Ana not being able to grow up with her sister’s presence much. That needed to be resolved better.

    I don’t think it was because I caught a glimpse of the subtext of mental illness and pried the film open to see more and was disappointed when I found not much more. But it was there, and could have been handled a lot more sensitively and brilliantly.

    Yes I liked that it was handled without a romantic interest for Elsa. Yes I liked that the unconditional love was sisterly, Ana warming the frozen heart in Elsa. And that was it, from the foreshadowing of the ice harvesters in the beginning, “Beware the frozen heart” it was Elsa the song was warning about, in subtext. The damaging and dangerous effect of a heart freezing from lack of love, and needing said love to warm it. In earlier drafts Elsa’s morals were severely compromised, where she was drafted as the villain (the Snow Queen) and this was later abandoned when they wanted to show more of a sisterly relationship. The lack of “villain” is very un-Disney and very like Pixar which I liked. To me is creates for more character development.

    You’re right about some ailments not usually being cured in one lifetime. But for Elsa I’m happy that the resolution has her realize she was surrounded by people she could trust and lend her the emotional support she needed to become better, and to become better functioning and giving and receiving of love.

  • Ariana Gomez

    As someone with Bipolar disorder I can 100% relate to Elsa and “Let it go” and Frozen and also with Anna. I mean Elsa’s powers represent my feelings. We,Bipolar people have deep feelings which are beautiful. I mean,we love deeply and a lot of times we put people we love on pedestal and shower them in gifts and we’re extremely loving,but Deep feelings means also getting irritated quickly and throwing a lot of temper tantrums.+Isolation. I mean I can’t tell you how many times I Completely isolated myself and not talking to people I love for weeks.

  • Kathrin-Maria Samarra Stehle

    I am not an anti LGBTQ. I respect those people. I don't have much friends who are gay but girls who are lesbians I haven't meet yet. Most girls whould be in a relationship with boys to be married and have kids on their own. But Elsa I guess she doesn't need anyone. Maybe she isn't ready be in a relationship with a boy.

  • Maggie Raynack

    What about autism. I always related to Elsa because I have autism, and bipolar. I always thought she had both. I loved let it go because I could relate to the lyrics. Elsa is awesome.

  • sharissa kim

    It just a cartoon ffs.

  • Ellie Reitsma

    My sister and I very clearly embody anna and elsa. She is loud and exuberant and kind, while i am reserved and nervous and mentally ill. As we got older the movie was a way for her to understand why I'd lash out at her, why I isolated myself and why I felt so ashamed (hella gay). Even though we have other siblings, it's seemed to be the two of us. we're the closest in age, etc. Anyways, even thought the movie wasn't my favorite when I first saw it, the movie has been a mirror to our situation.

  • Shadowstar

    #GiveElsaAGilfriend

  • Melvin Sally

    Wow. You are very wrong about a lot of things, Frozen isn't appropriating any culture especially Sami culture. Norway is the perfect place to find Sami culture and the lack of people of color is evidently due to the fact this takes place in 19th century Norway not 21st century.
    Frozen is about the ancestral people of Norway and the native culture as you can see if you did your research.

  • Oliversfilmsdotcom Films

    0:42 BEST BIT!!!

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    0:42 HOW DID YOU EVEN GET THAT FOOTAGE!!!

  • Dan Eyal

    Elsa dosen't need romance, and she never said that she wanted one.

  • Gerard Collins

    "Oh hell no! You motherfuc–!" XD

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