Jewel, Never Broken, Mental Health, Staying Happy & the Future of Music | #AskGaryVee 238

Jewel, Never Broken, Mental Health, Staying Happy & the Future of Music | #AskGaryVee 238

– On this episode,
superstar Jewel stops by. (hip hop music) – [Gary] You ask questions, and I answer them. This is The #AskGaryVee Show. – Hey everybody,
this is Gary Vay-ner-chuk and this is episode 237 of The #AskGaryVee Show. And I’m excited, Jewel. I’m super pumped you’ve
decided to join the show. Thank you so much for coming. Jewel and I met the other day. We had a great kind of
business chat and hit it off. She went to the Knicks game.
– Yeah. – And brought
tremendously bad luck. That was the worst Knicks game
I’ve ever been to in my life. – That was not me. It happened to be a star player
that didn’t show up and I didn’t make him disappear.
– It’s true. It’s true. But I was really
excited to do this show. Obviously, you guys know I’ve
gone to the call-in format on this show but I decided for this we’ll bring back
the classic style. We’ve got five questions with
Andy over here and before we get into the questions,–
– Mhmmm. – Jewel, for the four people
that may not know who you are, why don’t you give a little
context of little bit of your career and who you are? – Sure. My name is Jewel. It’s my real name. These are my real teeth. Nobody asks me that but I just
thought I’d throw it out there. I’m from Alaska.
My family were pioneers. I grew up on a homestead which
means I grew up eating only what I could kill or can so my
fang came in really handy. It didn’t actually. (laughs) It taught me resilience, it taught me grit,
it taught me how to grind. It taught me self-esteem from
the inside out which is being able to understand that
you’re capable because you’ve been given
the opportunity to struggle which
is a real blessing. And I ended up moving out at 15. Ended up homeless at 18.
Was shoplifting– – Why’d you
originally move out at 15? – My dad was abusive and so I decided I would just
live in a cabin by myself. We’d been pretty transient,
moved around a lot. Been taking care of myself quite
a long time and so I wanted to do it on my own without somebody
in the cabin besides myself. So, too young to drive. I was hitchhiking in to
work at a pretty young age. Working multiple jobs. – Where?
– In Homer, Alaska. And then I got a scholarship
to an amazing art school in a roundabout way in Michigan. Was able to
graduate from high school. Yay, me. Most importantly, if I look back
on my life I knew that at 15 I should have been a statistic. I knew that girls like me, boys
like me even, end up repeating the cycle that we’re raised
by and I didn’t want to be a statistic and so my life’s
mission became this idea of nature versus nurture and
if you received bad nurture can get to know
your real nature? And how you re-nurture yourself. And so my entire
life’s work has been that. My songs have been
a side effect of that. And my next chapter of my
life will be more about that. – Yeah, and that next chapter I think is what
brought us to these two seats. Obviously, you reached out and
we had a great talk and I was completely blown away. Honestly, after you
left I said to the guys, wow, the
entrepreneurial understanding, the emotional intelligence. So much stuff that, you know, we come from very
different backgrounds. We have different lives but
there was so much stuff that you’re talking
about that I was like wow. Like, I get it and I believe
in it and I was really excited about the meeting. I think the self-esteem stuff,
the internal emotional strength. – Mhmmm. – But what completely blew me
away and why I wanted you on the show as well is with all the
things like meditation and emotional intelligence and a lot of the things that we
clicked on,– – Yeah. – I was and I just
want everybody to know, you know I’m a
tough ass filter on this, I was really taken aback by
your know how of the market and consumer behavior and business
savviness and it was really interesting to me.
– Hmmm. – Do you ever think of yourself, do you think of yourself
as an entrepreneur at all? – Yeah, I think
I’ve handled my entire career very entrepreneurially. When I was homeless, I ended up
homeless for about a year when I was 18 and I turned
down the advances of my boss. And when I wouldn’t
have sex with him, he wouldn’t give me my paycheck
and so I thought no big deal. I’ll live in my car
for a couple months and I’ll get back on my feet. But then the car
I was living in got stolen. And so that’s how
I ended up homeless. And I started
having panic attacks. I began shoplifting a lot and
I realized I was gonna end up in jail or dead in short order. And more importantly when
I was stealing something one day I caught an image of
myself in the mirror and I realized I was a statistic. I didn’t beat the odds. My goal at 15, three
short years later– – You were there. – I was there and so
I remembered the saying that Buddha had said, “Happiness
doesn’t depend on who you are or “what you have.
It depends on what you think.” And so I doubled down on figuring out
what I was thinking. And Descartes said, “I think
therefore I am,” but if I could rephrase that just a
little bit I would say, “I perceive what I
think therefore I am.” If you can perceive you’re sad,
you’re something other than sad. If you can
perceive you have anxiety, you’re something other. We are the observer. That’s an amazing thing.
– Yes. – And so I began to
develop mindfulness exercises to help me understand and have
a better relationship with showing up now. ‘Cause fear is a thief and it
takes the past and it projects it in to the future.
– Sure does. – And it robs you of the only
opportunity you have to create change and I needed
to create change or else I was going to
go down the toilet. So, I began developing
these mindfulness exercises. – What did you call them? Because the term mindful wasn’t really
around then, right? What did you them?
Do you remember? – I didn’t have a word and I
didn’t tell anybody about them. – Right.
– I just did them. – How did you know about it?
Had you read something? What impacted you at that early
of an age to understand to start my slang term would
be hacking the brain? Putting yourself
in that mental place, I’m so, people always ask me
so many things and I’m always stunned on how
much it’s so insular. – Mhmmm. – I don’t consume other stuff. I don’t know but it was so
there but how did you know that? – Some of the things
were just very intuitive. The exercises I came up were
intuitive but I read a had a teacher that started getting me Greek philosophy
when I was about 15. On the cover of my first album, I have a quote on the
very front of it that says, “What we call human nature in
actuality is human habit.” I began to look at the idea
that if my brain is addictive, can it get
addicted to healthy things instead of negative things? And studying habit loops and
replacing negative behaviors with positive ones. So all these exercises I started
developing for myself were strictly to get through my day,
to manage my day anxiety. And they worked. And at the end of a
year I felt so much happier. Even though I was homeless. And so, when record
labels started coming to me, I knew that–
– Why did they come to you? Did you have something pop? Was there anything that sparked the first batch of
people coming to you? – I got a gig in a coffee shop. It was going out of business. In San Diego at the time, all
of the coffee shops asked you to pay them to sing
there which was shocking. I grew up bar
singing with my dad. – I like these
coffee shop owners. (group laughter) Go ahead.
– Yeah. I grew up singing in
bars with my dad where we got paid something. And so I was shocked in Southern
California where they wanted you to pay them for the honor of letting people
talk while you sang. – Right. – So I found, there’s actually
a woman who owned a coffee shop and I played
there with my friend. He had a following, I didn’t and
at the end I went to settle out and she goes, “No,
you keep the tip money.” And I was like, “What
are you talking about? “My friend just
brought in 200 people?” And she goes,
“You keep the tip money.” I was like,
“Oh, okay, that’s fine. “Why don’t I keep all of
your food and coffee sales? “We’ll swap.
It’s all good with me.” She looked at my
like I do not like you. And she’s like, “You can
take the tip money or leave.” I said, “You can keep
your frickin’ tip money.” And I walked out
and I cursed her. I didn’t cuss but I stuck my
finger in her face and I said, “You’re gonna fail.” I said, “You’re stealing from
the people that are bringing”– – You put her out
of business mentally? – I put her out
of business mentally. I am a witch. Yes. (group laughter)
You heard it here. – Exposed.
– And end. Yeah, she was basically stealing from people and that
no artist would go there. – Yep. – So I found a coffee shop that
was going out of business,– – Okay. – and I said,
“Before you close your doors, “give me two weeks and give me
all the door money and you can “have all the coffee
and sales and food.” And so we struck a deal and I
suddenly had to go out and get a following and I had to write a
bunch of songs ’cause I grew up singing cover songs with my dad. So I wrote and wrote
and wrote handed out flyers, hustled, I had two people in my
coffee shop that first night. – Of course. – And I sang a five hour
set and I sang my heart out. And what I learned is that I was
very lonely and a lot of people are lonely and I deserved to be
lonely ’cause I only told truth in one place and it was in a
notebook that nobody read. And I decided to take a risk
and be vulnerable and talk about what was real and not hide from
the truth and so I poured all my feelings out in
front of these two surfers, bless their hearts.
(laughs) And– – By the way,
if you’re watching, either one of these surfers,
please leave a comment. (group laughter) Holy shit, I was that dude. – Yeah. And then the
next week four people came, and the next week seven. I played there
every Thursday to try and have a very regular time. And then after about
a year, it was sold out. People were
standing outside the window, standing in pouring rain for
five hours listening to me through a window.
– That’s cool. – And a radio station put a
bootleg of mine on the air. It ended up requested and I got
into the top 10 countdown on 91 X in San Diego. It’s one of the biggest
stations in the country. Labels are like who the heck
is this girl on acoustic guitar playing between
Nirvana and Soundgarden. They all started showing up. So it was being Cinderella. You know,
limousines are showing up. – Really?
– Yeah. And so, you’d think I would jump
at the opportunity to have a record label or a record
deal except that I just found happiness and I was
not going to give it up. – Yeah. – And fame is a path so many
people lose their footing on. – It’s happening to DRock. He’s changing so much.
– He is. I just watched him right here. Yeah, he’s very condescending
when he stares at me. (group laughter) – So you were really
trying to be careful? – Yeah, and so I had to ask myself some
very serious questions. Why am I doing this? It’s very important to know. If you want to end up somewhere, you have to know
where you want to end up. Then you have to have a compass
of knowing how to navigate. So for me, was it
as an artist or famous? I knew I wanted to be an artist. Nothing against
fame, by the way. It’s just which one do you want
as an experience for your life. I wanted to be an artist. So everyday I made decisions
based on being an artist not being famous or rich.
– And that’s that. – And the other kind of
interesting caveat is I was offered a million dollar signing
bonus and I turned it down. I had read a book called, “Everything You Need To Know
About The Music Business” and I learned
that it was an advance and that you
owed the advance back. I knew I was going
to make a folk record at the height of grunge. I knew the odds of that working
were incredibly slim and so I basically bought my own right
to make my own music and I negotiated the biggest
back-end anybody had ever been given in
royalties and mechanicals. – Same thing
I did with Crush It! – Nice. I love it.
– It’s so funny. – Yeah. Bet on yourself.
– 100%. – And I grinded. – If you’re good
enough, bet on yourself. – Yeah. And I turned down reality TV
shows a lot of shortcut things but there’s no
shortcut to being great. So I did 600, 700 shows a year
and I did it for years and I grinded it out and
ended up breaking through. Yes, I’ve always liked
myself entrepreneurially. (group laughter) To answer your question
in a really roundabout way. – It’s true, it’s great.
It’s really great. You know it’s funny, I’m sure
these four and a lot of people watching are smiling ’cause so
much of what I’ve been talking about for the last
seven, eight years has so many of these themes. – Something I saw on your walls
coming in was about how many people come to your funeral. I’ve actually made all
my decisions in my life, what I call my
deathbed decisions. I pretend I’m on my deathbed,
even when I was a young child, you know, 17, 18 and said, “Will this matter
to me on my deathbed? “Is this important?” – Is this the best feeling for
you as the person that decided hey, these two people, do you like are you
finding a lot of gratitude? Are just like so pumped
in the last 48 hours? – [Man] I knew the two of you,
and it’s rare to find people like this that care about
living life deeply meaningful, in a meaningful way. And when I hear her
talk and I hear you talk, I love it. – Yeah, it’s one thing have
some philosophical things. It’s another thing to have,
these guys I know, yeah. It’s really cool. I’m really, really
glad I got to meet you. – Likewise. – Andy, let’s do
the first question. – [Andy] Cool.
Carolina asks– – [Voiceover] Carolina asks, “Jewel, why do you think so many
people struggle to be happy?” – Because happiness
is a byproduct, not an actual destination. And so people have this
misconception that they’re gonna find happiness like it’s Europe and they’re never
gonna move out. (laughs) Happiness is a
byproduct of certain behaviors and can set yourself up to win and you can set
yourself up to be happy. The sad thing is happiness is a
learned skill and a lot of our houses don’t teach happiness. That was the situation
I was in and so I actually just started studying
people that were happy and I saw what
the algorithm was. What did they do that’s similar
and for me I don’t focus on happiness as much as harmony. I don’t really believe in the
word balance ’cause balance is a binary thing like oof,
it’s a great very tedious. Harmony is saying my
life has many components. I’m a woman,
I’m a mom, I am sexual,
I am spiritual. I’m a businessperson, all of
those limbs have to have tone and that brings about harmony. That brings about satisfaction. If only have one limb
that is very buff and the rest of us is atrophied, we have disharmony,
we have dissatisfaction but there’s no human school and so that’s what I’m
looking at starting. I want to be able to teach
people emotional and mindfulness skills so that they can
gain tone in every area. – From my standpoint, you know
since Jewel took it up here, I will take into one very narrow
place that I’ve been really try to spend a lot of time
on and that’s perspective. It’s so interesting to me why
I deem myself happy because I just am so grateful.
– Mhmmm. – Like the thing we got excited
about of you know the data behind being a human
being is 400 trillion to 1. When you just start there and
you realize forget about the odds of like beating
homelessness and like other or like being born in a communist
country like just actually becoming a human. I always make the joke that your mom could have had
another glass of wine. Or your dad could have
been late because of traffic. The odds are so insane. I’m just so grateful for what
I have versus what I don’t have and I think people just have all
these admirations and envy and all these hard-wiring things. To me, it’s perspective
just like there’s always, I just generally believe there’s
always somebody that has it worse and the problem is that’s
where I default into mentally and have practiced
to put myself there versus somebody’s got it better. – And the importance
with gratitude is, I do a gratitude
practice every night, and when you’re grateful,
you can’t be angry, you can’t be resentful. It literally just leaves
no room for anything else. – I’m just grateful. Alright, And.
– [Andy] Cool. Alan asks,–
– Alan. – [Voiceover] Alan asks,
“How do you feel “the future of
music is going to be? “How and where do you
earn most of your money?” – I’m actually very excited by
the disrupt in the music space. It’s deserved to be disrupted
for really quite a long time. And this deserved to fail and
I say that with all kindness. – You mean the people in the middle having
disproportionate economics? – Yeah, if I could do
a brief history of music. Musicians spent a long time
understanding who they were and what they offered as musicians. People call that a brand now. But they were
natural brand creators. And so Led Zeppelin
stood for something. You know, loving a
musician was like an ethos. It was an entire culture and
they were culture builders and they spent years cultivating
that culture on the road. Radio came along and it
just super boosted things. And there’s a golden time there
for when that happened and then radio became so
powerful people realized, “Hey, I don’t have to
have a whole great record. “I can have one good song,” and
then the record labels were like and we can charge for an entire
record with only one good song and the consumer
started going, “Hey, screw you guys.
I’m getting ripped off. “This is a sucky
record with one good song.” Enter the digital age
and people could say, “Oh good, I only have
to buy one good song.” – At first, they’re like, “Wait a minute, Napster.
I’m not buying shit.” – Yeah.
(group laughter) And streaming. I don’t personally feel that
music will be monetizable in a very foreseeable way. I think that we should focus
on musicians as brands and we’re lucky enough to use
music as our brand builder, as our calling card and the
future of the music business is learning to build
brands around artists. The artists get
to have equity in. – Yep. You know, obviously the
monetizing of live event. So I think access is
where all the magic is ’cause it’s the
limited resource. – Mhmmm.
– Right? So whether that means
in a show or one on ones or the brands they touch. I mean look, it’s funny
here you go with the brand move of the equity thing.
– Mhmmm. – When you think about the
economics 50 Cent made on just his sponsorship deal of Vitamin
Water let alone what you’re seeing now where
you’re, you know, celebrities and
musicians are getting 5, 10, 15, 30% of a
business before it launches on the back of their brand. It’s a very entrepreneurial
answer but it’s the truth. It’s a race to the bottom of
control of those economics. – Yeah. – Andy?
– [Andy] Cool. – [Voiceover] Will asks,
“How does Jewel feel about “social media access when it
comes to celebrity privacy?” – That’s a good one. – I love it.
I’m in control of it. I’ve always really welcomed it. I’ve lived my
life with transparency. I hide nothing. That said, I always honor–
– We love Jewel. (group laughter) You’re giving all the answers
that nobody, nobody else says. Yeah and what’s weird is it’s one thing say it that
came and grew from it. You were real, real
famous when it came along so it’s an even more
impressive answer. You know, I was a byproduct and
benefited from the transparency and grew from there.
– Yeah. – But for you to
be where you were and love it speaks to
that rare authenticity. – Well, I also was able, that’s
funny I was put in a college textbook from when
the grassroot marketers, one of the four founders of
grassroots marketing online. – Sure. – It wasn’t because of me.
It was my fans. And it was the early days of the
internet but it was the reason I broke through grunge. – But your fans, I was there. I was doing the
Wine Library thing. It’s why I was so excited. We talked a little bit
about this the other day. Your fans got there and
give a crap because of you and then they took over. What my fans do now is insane
the level of love but it starts with I love them first.
– Yeah. – You have to love them first. – Yeah, music comes
second in all honesty. I think people
and what I’ve been, it’s just been incredible. I have no middleman. I get to talk to my fans
directly and tell them who I am. I don’t have a journalist going, “You know the truth about
Jewel was blah blah blah blah.” And it’s not true. I actually get to
tell people what’s true. I get to have that direct
relationship and not to mention I should be a gift in, we’re all
a gift in each other’s lives. If I’m not a gift
in the life of my fans, I am not doing my job. This isn’t all about me and so
the way technology is evolved it’s much easier
for me to watch my fans, see how their
families are doing, encourage them to be
supporting one another. I love it.
– Amazing. Andy? I love it, too. – [Voiceover] Loca app asks,
“Does social media overall have “a positive or negative
impact on mental health?” – That’s a good question. – That’s a great question.
– That’s a great question. – Yeah, it’s something
you and I were talking about. I think that my job as an artist
has always been to look at culture and look at zeitgeist. Where is culture
swinging and where do I authentically
intersect with that? For me, I’m great at connection and I love the
technological age. I love how
accessible information is. I love that with
education at our fingertips. I love that it’s
disrupting everything. It have the tremendous ability
to cause a distraction addiction and we need to be careful with
our children and with ourselves of how we consume. Now what does that mean?
It’s a very interesting topic. How do we consume in a way that
doesn’t hurt our mental health? That doesn’t cause
neural pathways of addiction and distraction addiction and that’s actually a
very fascinating topic. – I think the thing that a lot
of people are talking about, Simon Sinek has a video that’s
going viral on this right now. I think the question
becomes that we never do is what was the alternative?
– Mhmmm. – So, it’s one thing to say that
we’re addicted to this and we’re spending our time on this. My question is
that same human being, what would they have been
doing with this time– – Mhmmm.
– in 1989? Would they be
addicted to television? I had plenty of friends who
played 11 1/2 hours of Nintendo. – Yep. – You know we’re deploying our
angst against the medium and we’re not looking at
the human being enough. – Absolutely. – You know there’s a lot of,
there’s a lot of kids sitting in their room on their phone all
day long creating Instagram accounts and doing
stuff that would’ve been on the street doing something bad. Like this thought that it’s all
bad is very fascinating to me. I don’t know. I am unbelievably
pro-human being. – Yeah. – I mean back to just data
and behavior and patterns, like we’re still here.
– Yeah. – Like we’ve
had all the ability, when you think about what we could be doing to
each other negatively. We’ve all, there’s so much
carnage that could happen in one second and we don’t and so we
are scared of what we don’t know and I think that, I think that
I’m surprised by the collective cynicism of the of
the American market, for sure, around these
technologies but it makes a lot of sense to me because
every time there is a massive communication shift we
are very cynical of it. – Yeah. And we’re frightened. – We’re scared.
– But what I love is the Millenials already
have the antidote. So they’re already a
product of the culture of being, having the ability to do this
and look at their screen and what are they telling us? We want experiences,
we don’t want things. – Of course.
– That’s the antidote. We get to get out
and have experiences. – Guys, this is nothing
compared to VR in 20 years. – Mhmmm. – People are
gonna sit in their home. You’re never
gonna see them again. They’re gonna put their contact
lenses on and they’ll be gone. This is, I’m being, this is it. Be happy that they’re
actually out and about looking at the phone ’cause of
the San Diego in a pod and they’re not coming out.
– Right. Yeah. – Andy? Really though
because by the way,– – Yeah? – to your point, and I
see where you’re going. It’s why we’ve
always loved reading books, and watching movies. We need to escape–
– Yeah. – for our mental health.
– Mhmmm. – That’s what this is. It becomes the
alternative universe. The much more extreme version
of that is gonna be the virtual reality world when they
can absolutely in 20 years technology put in
contact lenses and be somewhere. – I always add in caveat–
– Go ahead. – a lot of people talk
to me about mindfulness and, you know, about
being in your head. It’s actually not about,
we do need an escape. – Yes. – Our minds will
run us, they hijack us. – Yeah. Yep. – And so a lot of us use
escape so that we don’t, so that we can escape our minds. I look at our bodies
as an amazing machine. And it’s an amazing machine, our brain is
actually not the driver, it’s the steering wheel. So who’s the driver? I think it’s our observer. When we get so
caught up in our mind we’re desperate for an escape. For me that’s when mindfulness
tools come into play with how we interface
with everything. You have to give yourself a
break from your mind that’s healthy habit and not
just constantly a distraction. – Jewel, just because
you’re so deep in this. This is what I want
to ask you for me. I’m being selfish now. I don’t know the answer. I’m curious for
your perspective. I don’t need an escape.
– Mhmmm. – I don’t want to escape. I’m super duper pumped.
– That’s good. – Like I mean it. Like, I’m even
scared to do meditation, this is real because I’m so
happy with my mental state that I don’t anything that
rejiggers anything ’cause I never need an
escape from anything. I’m super it’s true, And. I deal with plenty of stresses
and things of that nature. I don’t know, I like it. It’s fine, it’s part
of the, I don’t know. What do you think about that? – I don’t know what
to think about that. But I know you
can trust yourself. – Yeah, and?
Have you seen that? How do you think about that? It’s just interesting to me that I don’t gravitate
towards an escape at all. – That’s awesome. – I don’t want to, I want to
stay in my head all the time. – Yeah?
– It’s cozy. – Uh-huh. What’s it like in there?
– Fucking awesome. – Yeah?
(group laughter) That’s good.
– Alright, And. One more time.
One last one? – [Andy] One last one. – [Voiceover] Nandip asks,”What
is one simple thing we can do to “help stop the stigma
around mental health?” – Well, that’s taking
it into a different place. Right, mental health issue
versus meditation but that’s where he’s asking.
– [Andy] Yeah. – What do you think about that? – Well mental health is
a really broad scope so how would we
define mental health? We could talk very
narrowly about something, anxiety. It’s something a lot of people,
it’s the number one thing I hear people talk to me about. Anxiety and I think that’s a
mental health issue and I do think one of the best antidotes
to anxiety for me when I was having panic attacks and anxiety
bouts was learning to be mindful which is just learning
to be present right now. I did it by following my hands
around in the day and it let me not worry basically because
I was forced to be present. And so it was actually a very
profound tool for change for me. – Can I interrupt
you for one second? – Yeah, go ahead. Before we get into guns.
– Yeah. Before you get into guns, and by
the way I’ve done an incredible job not interrupting. I know all of your
watching, I’ve crushed it. Are they commenting?
I’ve crushed it. Biting nails.
– Mhmmm. – Now that frickin’,
you know I’m so curious, do you know anything about,
is you looking at your hands, is biting nails
something that I’m… Listen, I’ve got Jewel. She knows her shit,
I’m excited here. Biting nails,
do you think that’s a move? – A move? – Like the way you did that, am
I so at peace and pumped because I bite my nails all the time? Like I’m trying to
figure out what that means. – Do you bite your
nails all the time? – Yeah. When I’m
really in an interesting spot. – Mhmmm. My guess is that’s how you’re
handling a type of anxiety and you’re gonna think and you’re
gonna figure things out and that’s your way of doing it. I don’t know if you’re mindful
while you’re doing it or if it’s an absent distraction. – No, it’s
definitely not mindful. – Yeah.
– I’m just not. I’m just like, wait,
fuck, I’m eating my hand. Keep going.
Gun control. – True to yourself,
so mindfulness would be, “Oh, I’m eating my nails.” – Yes.
– Get curious about it. Just observe it.
– Yep. – That’s mindfulness.
– Got it. – And it takes you from
being hijacked by your brain to back to being the driver.
– Yeah. – I’m in control
of my brain, Jewel. – Yeah? If you’re biting your
nails and you don’t know why I’m not sure that you are. – Well, I respect that but
that’s only a micro one example on a macro level, anyway.
– Good to know your answer. – Guns. Guns? – I think guns are
a mental health issue. – I do too. In a big way. – I think it’s really
important to focus on. Learning to calm our anxiety,
learning about mental health does nothing but help our entire
culture a multitude of ways. And so, I would encourage
both sides of the aisle to start looking at
mental health, mindfulness, mental health solutions
instead of talking about highly polarizing things
look at the deeper cause. – [Andy] Do you think there’s a
stigma around those solutions? – I do and I often
have people say like, “Why do you, how do
you talk about this? “Isn’t it scary?”
And I look at them and go, “Have you never not
felt anxiety? Jealousy? Fear? “Am I inventing new emotions
somebody’s never come up with?” No. I don’t know why
people don’t talk about it. – I think we’ve had enormous progress in the
last half decade. This was not even
being talked about. – Yeah. – Ten years ago this
was (clicks tongue) zero. – I did a pre-tape interview
for the “Today” show and we were talking about the movie
that’s coming out and she said, “I looked at your
website,” she talked to me about mindfulness
the entire time. That would not have
happened to me five years ago, two years ago. I was flabbergasted.
– 100%. – Yes, I said
flabbergasted. Two points. – (laughs) Tell me
two seconds about this. When did this come out?
What’s the basic theme? And let’s link it up.
– Thank you. Yeah, this is “Never Broken”.
It’s my memoirs. People always asked me how I
went from an abusive background, to moving out at 15,
to being homeless to being okay. I didn’t have access to therapy. I didn’t have the
funds or resources and so I figured things out. And I wrote it because
I want everybody to know that happiness is for everyone. It doesn’t depend
on the right husband, the right spouse,
the right house, the right anything. You can literally do it when
you’re homeless and I wanted people to know that.
– That’s awesome. – And the website shares very small, doable mindfulness
tools that you can incorporate. – Jewel every time
we have a guest they get to ask the
Vayner Nation a question. Then we get thousands of
answers in Facebook and YouTube. – How cool? – So now putting you on the
spot which ’cause I wasn’t, I was pretty confident
you’re not a regular #AskGaryVee Show watcher,
what question do you have that you’d like to get answer? Maybe you get some feedback
or you get some interesting insights to something
that might be on your mind. – Yeah, I would love that.
Let me think about it. My assumption, without
doing a ton of research, is that everybody
is very interested in personal empowerment and entrepreneurially
manifesting their dreams. Would that be accurate?
– That would. – So, I guess
I would ask you guys, I am in the same situation and
the music industry there’s a tremendous shift and
when I talked to most of the record business about
building equity around myself, around me ethos and my messaging
most people look at me kind of like I’m crazy and say,
“Why don’t you go on the road?” So whatever you
guys know about me, I’d be very curious what you’re entrepreneurial
business ideas are for me. It’d be fun to learn. – Awesome.
Thanks Jewel. – Thank you.
– Thanks for being on the show. – Yeah, I enjoyed it. – You keep asking questions,
we’ll answering them. – I am gonna
start talking like him. (group laughter)
It is awesome. (hip hop music)



  • Sara Spruth

    Great conversations! Jewel is so brilliant!!! She speaks poetry. Love her! Great interview!

  • christopher w. martin

    Fear is a mirror, it shows you how your past affects your thought presently, but that doesn't mean it will dictate your future. It is a vehicle or a tool that you can utilize to influence a level head moving forward. Roger that Ma'am, great thoughts on fear. Love the show, keep motivating and grinding Sir!


    The best #AskGaryVee show I've ever seen! And I've seen A LOT!!! #Jewel is beyond Brilliant and Phenomenal!!!

  • joseph soto

    gary get a fidget spinner to stop biting your nails

  • Sagar Gadhia

    one of the best video ! and jewel so very much looks like blake lively πŸ˜„

  • Mike

    what a spazzzzz…..dude keeps interrupting every time she tries to talk or answer the questions, lay off the Adderall dude! or the meth, coke what ever he's on. he totally screwed up the interview.

  • S

    #TheAskGaryToSTFU Show

  • Alan Peterson

    Am reading her book,"Never Broken", Great. Amazing Lady.

  • The After Action Review

    BEST episode!!!!Gary was delightful without being overbearing and Jewel was thoughtful and intelligent!

  • Marc T

    Her teeth are sexy as fuck

  • The Distinguished Wrestler

    Her understanding of psychology is unbelievable! And also very practical. In a psychology class you learn about psychological theories but Jewel is telling us how to apply these principles to improve our lives. Powerful stuff!

  • Brandon C

    great episode πŸ˜€

  • George Matzunaga

    its hard to take her deep thinking when she obviously wants people to see her titts. very distracting.

  • R Nettles

    Best show ever!

  • Fuego Pazzo

    Thank you Gary. I had been learning about Mindfulness and was interested but had no idea how to implement it. Thankfully thru Jewel's website I found all the answers. I didn't know anything about her other than she was a singer. I appreciated the backstory and all that she is now doing. One of those Jungian synchronicities maybe

  • RapperAB2

    The observer

  • Joshua Addo

    I think Gary likes her

  • Nilima Quinnell

    Thanks for bringing in an intelligent and strong female to the show, it's really important to have descent female role models at the forefront of change.

  • Monik $ingh

    Great interview. I actually have gone through depression and worked on my mental health. I now teach about it. Here is a short video on how to create great mental health

  • samuelfreemanfilm

    Heres a short interview with Jewel by Lou Niles of 91X radio station in San Diego, they talk about her humble beginings and how she got her big break in San Diego, check it out if youre interested

  • Elissa Jayne

    Thankyou both πŸ’•

  • Jonniejonjon

    Wow. What amazing humans.

  • dirkschry

    Damn Jewel, you are amazing! You got Gary good on that finger biting tidbit. And the things you say,.. the way you articulated it,… Damn, it reflects a lot about my own way of thinking. And my own search for a better and healthier mind. Not that I have issues, but I just believe in optimization, and that that is one of the biggest gifts you can give yourself along with self-awareness.
    Loved the take on you are not our thoughts, you're the entity that sees those go through your mind. Love the gratefulness ritual in before going to bed. I've been saying to people for a long time now. That their day should starts at 00:00 and what you do is 1) Gratitude 2) Sleep 3) Exercise and 4) Healthy food. It can be done in like 8 to 10 hours, and then the day starts and you have 16 to 14 hours left for relationships, work, and fun. I plan on teaching my kids this, and everybody who cares to listen! And perhaps I can add meditation before sleep… I might, not sure tho!

    Thanks for getting her on the shooow Gary!

  • k m

    Why does her talking make her attractive..I didn't see her that way before lol

  • Krystina Dowdell

    β€œIf you receive(d) bad nuture, can you get to know your true nature. And then (can) you re-nurture yourself.”

    β€œI perceive what I think, therefore I am. If my brain is addictive, can it get addicted to healthy things.”

    β€œI only told truth in one place, and it was in a notebook that nobody read. We have to give ourselves a break from our mind. Look at your hands, force yourself to be present.” – Jewel πŸ™ŒπŸΌ

    QOTD (I know I’m hella late but still) – Go on the road, more people need to hear your story. So much of what you said resonated with me, and you speak in such a calm and matter of fact way that I think it would help a lot of people understand that no matter what they are going through, everything is going to be ok.

  • James P

    These comments amuse me… I'm genuinely mind blown no one knows who she is… I could understand if she was a one hit wonder, but she sold 30 million records. Her debut album was 15 million of those numbers. She's had two best selling books, 8 Top 10 albums… No one has heard of her?!?? 😢

  • br0lent

    I've been watching a lot of your videos over the past couple of weeks. This one's my favourite so far.

  • ricky

    I’ve been looking for a new role model, Jewels you just filld in the position 😫

  • Mariagrazia Lauricella

    Awesome! I've always loved you Jewel! You've always been such a lady. I truly enjoyed hearing how you took your career into your own hands. It's great to see you ahead of the curve. I'm pretty new to listening to Gary. However, I've already seen a great increase in my quality of value output. I figured I'd take you up on wanting to learn about what we do…I'm only going to give you a small snapshot. I curate, design, and host small luxury trips to Sicily, Italy and Mendoza, Argentina. I also create products from these two regions. All the trips and products benefit children's organizations in these two regions. My financial contributions go to increase programs in alternative therapies i.e. art therapy and education. Because like you, I had to figure it out without therapy and art and education was my way out. I'm a one woman show…making it hard to do it all but I know what I have to do to get to where I've been show I have to go. I don't talk too much about the impact we have on children's lives as I believe it's a very personal choice to help others. My Humanity Travelers, those that travel with me, are fully aware of how their trip impacts others but I intentionally don't market to that. @GaryVEE what's your thought on this? I believe that my product is so good that I don't need to sell to children's needs. I'd love to hear both of your takes on this. Thanks for listening! If you are interested in the regions I travel to or their food and wine, I'd be honored to have you follow me on instagram or facebook @humanitydelsol or if you'd like to reach me personally to share some of your insight my email is [email protected] yup I just put my email up on here…hey I've got nothing to lose. Thank you both for your incredilbe contribution to society.

  • Jennifer Dennis

    SO GLAD you linked to this in your best of 2017 video! Just bought the book.

  • Lanna's Mind

    holy shit this just popped up in my feed i love Jewel so much omg i am so happy you have her on here

  • EricFIT

    I was one of the 4 people who had no clue who she was lol but wow she's super intelligent! Awesome video

  • Bryan Nestor

    Could listen to her all day . Love the topics discussed πŸ”₯

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  • Willy Price

    I loved the depth of humanity thank you Jewel and Gary

  • Dj Kane

    Blockchain technology for the music industry @jeweljk Are you familiar and do you want to start changing the music industry with it!!??

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  • Michael Seville REALTOR

    Great interview.

  • Ian Fitzpatrick

    Best Ask GV show evvvverrrrr πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯ Jewel is all kinds of awesome and Echoes so much of Gary's themes but the best bit was Gary's amazing effort to not interrupt! Great stuff.

  • R K

    so she turned him down on calling her having sex…sure I believe in that πŸ˜‰

  • Artur Sulymko

    this episodes one of the best ones, Gary behaved differently, i dont why )) maybe Gary will comment something on it) very interesting took a lot from this show! keep crushing my man!!! one day hopefully gonna be on your shoW)

  • Josh Smitty

    Yay. Omg, that was so awesome.

  • a33a33 3333

    love her. love her. love her!!!! 😘

  • Ketlley789

    Glad to see this on 2017 highlights reel – something special about this lady. Reminds me of Sara Blakely, very wise

  • Jonathan Willis

    Jewel as someone who works in a Musical Theatre venue, with musical theatre becoming popular again with shows like Next to Normal and Dear Evan Hansan with younger, more impressionable audiences, would you ever consider writing a musical dealing with mental health?

  • Michael C. Fischbach

    Love it. "Fear is a Thief"

  • Michael C. Fischbach

    Ms. Jewel. Would love to see you colaborate with speakers "duet style like Garyvee talk and when he brings up Mindfulness you bring your music at the beginning, during or end of the talks. This is str8 off the top of my dome. GV & Jewel East Coast Tour Featuring Redman for song-wrap mixes. Jewel your delivery in this interview made my brain aware of your words. awareness is endearing. Not star struck well a lill bit. GV & Jewel Great Show #238. [email protected]

  • shibal sekki

    Damn, she's still fine ass hell.

  • Mel Trapman

    Hey Jewel. In answer to your question about building equity, perhaps you could create a Jewel token on the Ethereum network. Alternatively, you could build a team to create Ethereum based tokens for other bands trying to raise equity. Not only will this help other bands get away from being slaves to labels, but you can be the person that you wish you had back when you started your career 😊

  • Joe Mcdonogh

    wow… this was like amazing! And for right now, shit me… AWESOME! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

    And my comment for what she asked… She talks in such an articulate manner and powerful way… I'd actually love to see a documentary on Jewel along the lines of Wayne Dyer's, "The Shift"… or Tony Robbins "I am not your Guru" whereby it's focused on her and her strategies and the way she would put things together, soet through things, and her perspective on life and happiness, and how to deal with this.

    I'm going to read the book and get a copy today, but I'd say it'll probably be a similar thing to just putting the book into a movie format from the sounds of it… I think it could be pretty special and having some case studies unfold with along the movie… I think that'd be amazing and super super helpful.

    As well as that, talks with companies like success resources… I know they are crying out for women that connect and have presence… and Jewel and her authenticity cuts straight through in a different way to what Gary Vees does… and I think while there's a market for Gary Vee, there's people that would be turned off by it, and those same people may resonate with things that Jewel Says and the way she puts it across, even though they're essentially very similar messages, the delivery is very different and yet so complimentary… so being ale to present to 1000's around the world at these live events, and then having that streamed, I think that could bring about a really powerful shift for a lot of people πŸ™‚

    Super awesome! Love everything about everything you said Jewel, and cheers Gary for being a legend and getting this stuff out here πŸ™‚

  • Robert Gray

    "You're capable because you've been given the opportunity to struggle"- Jewel.

    Thats has to be one of the wisest and most insightful quotes I've ever heard.

  • Hussein Nasser

    she is really good. Very insightful and puts who listens to her on peace.

  • S B

    Jewel, is amazing! She's phenomenal! I know I had an horrible life. My dad was abusive father, as well. My life was somewhat different, however, was also the same. Made me who I am, today. It does toughen you up. Jewel is a tough lady! I so admire her. I think she's the greatest! God Bless you, Jewel! Oh, by the way: my mother's name is also: Jewel!! She's 84-year-old! Whom I love her, dearly!!

  • S B

    Absolutely. It is an distraction. Media, is. You're so wise, Jewel!! You are so imformed!! You should have a license in psychiatry

  • Amr Tahditi

    Hide ur things miss.

  • Armands SviΔ·is

    She is such a sweetheart and beautiful too!

  • Steve Miguel

    So much transparency, this is my favourite guest so far

  • shawn kump

    My family had plans to move to Homer Alaska and I was excited about it. Never thought about it and how hard it might have been. So Glad that you percieved that you were more than where you were and where you could go to.

  • shawn kump

    You speak wisdom that lasts for millions of years.

  • shawn kump

    And so,,,, lets speak out to all people being mindful and growing though mindfulness above and beyond the fear and stigma of mental health. A new topic of unknown weakness of those who are not yet mindful of themselves . Guns are the mental health of freedom of freedom from oppression of being ruled over by oppressors,

  • Tom

    For the 4 people that don’t know who you are… (I never know the person!!!)

  • atawoo2

    As a big fan experiential additions are key for me in engaging with music. Pop up performances surprise, preformances, etc. One of my favorite things is when musicians play solo sets and such things at festivals, keeps me going back to those events. Hope that helps answer the question.

  • James Napier

    This one will be hard to beat…

  • Todor Tashev

    1:38 till 1:56, Gary stares SCARY at Jewel. OMG what is he thinking?

  • Cheeky Yoga Club

    Very interesting question from Gary (and I'm sure many people can relate) β€” when he started talking about not wanting to escape from his daily reality and being "almost afraid of meditation" for that reason. How about that perspective: sure, meditation can be seen as an escape, BUT it can also be seen as… going back HOME. πŸ™‚ To your Real Self (the observer, as Jewel said) deep inside. My personal experience with meditation has been: the deeper I go (stripping off layers of sh*t, filters and numbness gathered over the past 30 years) the more I feel like a "New Me"… BUT, at the same time, I feel like The REAL Me more than ever before. It feels like home. πŸ™‚
    Okay, we went deep into woo-woo here ahaha, so let me wrap up by saying HUGE thank you to Gary and Jewel β€” what a meanigful, powerful show. The world needs it. Cheers. /// Kat πŸ‘

  • Lelek V

    WOW, one of my favorite episodes yet!

  • wooly mammoth productions

    man im trippen out to much social media taken over i gotta produce music ima hire some kid to do my social media its like that and there better at it timed posts and everything except comic books for payments i need to focus on maken my music man jah bless write lyrics produce beats its hard not to get sucked in by the social media wormhole and get no real work done , i need likea one day lesson in what i actually need to do and thats it then just work on music,musics hard to focus on sixteen hours a day i would burn out doing it that much ive done ten jams in a row freestylen and by the end of that ur brains a little burnt lessons learned though

  • Billy Maxwell

    This was a great interview. I never heard Jewel speak before and I only heard one song of hers and I did like it a lot. After watching this interview, I'm now a huge fan of hers. I love this girl. I'm going to start collecting and listening to her music. I know I'm going to like it. Thank you Gary for introducing me to a fantastic human being and a great artist.

  • David G

    That's my future wife.

  • Chris One Love Castro

    Bro. She is a witch. she said it. I like that. πŸ™‚ #muahahaha

  • Mao-aj

    Wow blown by the conversation love the way she tells her story

  • S. Diesel

    I interviewed Kris Roe of The Ataris about what he thought of internet piracy. This was before streaming music was so common place. He said that he doesn't care about making money off the music, he'll give the music away. The music is a marketing tool to get people to the live shows. I thought Jewel's statement about music not being monetizable in the future was very much along the same lines.

  • StyleSensePlus

    Thank you for this interview. Thank you for not interrupting your guest while they're talking.

  • Florin Dascalu

    I love you Jewel, great job Gary bringing her here ! Congratulations both of you !


    Not many will be able to understand this comment. But, This entire interview was overflowing with magic on every level. Gets me pumped !

  • Tradesmen Leather Company

    Jewel… what a true rockstar.

  • Wahido Marata

    Loved this interview and exchange, thank you!

  • jeremy dunston

    great chemistry between you guys on this show

  • realm43

    hes in love with her

  • RedroomStudios

    I gravitate more to Jewel's approach to life than I do to Gary's, however… I do feel the same as Gary about not needing an escape from the "stresses" of life. as we get older we gain experience and wisdom and we can deal with almost anything that comes our way and it is satisfying to navigate all that stuff, especially when you take emotion out of the equation.

  • Jeynu1 Journey

    I'm not sure I've ever heard Gary this quiet. They're like kindred spirits.

  • Zikun Chen

    Fear is a thief. It takes the past and it projects it into the future. It robs you of the only opportunity to create change. πŸ”₯

  • DrFruedienslipJr

    Jewel just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down Mary Poppins the truth is if we do not deal with overpopulation the world is going to end somehow in the future

  • Chas Bruns

    I just can’t picture her growing up in the woods of Alaska.

  • Ojie Papalli

    i love jewel ,,,, thank u for posting this video

  • Jesus Lopez

    I searched for Jewel and came upon this. Great show, and she’s beautiful and phenomenal. Gary’s gorge too. New subscriber

  • MetaThynk

    Would have never guessed this was Jewel behind her music.
    She is a very deep and emotionally intelligent Woman- #Sexy #Modern #Hustler

  • Biden Sniffed my Doodle

    She's a stunning woman. Soulful and brilliant.

  • erice

    this is the best episode gary has dropped

  • American Dreamerz Web Series

    Love Jewel! She's a class act, so graceful. Interesting to observe when they disagreed, it was so subtle you could hardly even tell.

  • April Hawkins

    I wish I was as smart as Jewel. She always blows me away.


    I think you interrupted her every time! 😬

  • Anil Gill

    Had to go into the archives for this.. she definitely is a jewel!!

  • S CP

    Her self description didn’t include that she was Queen of the β€˜90’s folk singer/songwriter scene

  • chronicfish

    So Gary, I highly respect you, to the point where I don't follow anyone else when it comes to motivation , inspiration , advice and so much more. However, Jewels has out done even you, if that is even possible.


    If you appreciate her business mind and her personality you need to hear her sing.

  • cah bagus

    2019, one of those surfers haven't showed up in the comment yet?

  • Aaron Briggs

    Gary’s trying really hard not to look at Jewels breasts

  • Leesa Love

    All I know about the music industry is what I picked up living with musicians. They schedule most of their shows on the weekends but honestly, I didn't view them as entrepreneurs. I stumbled upon Gary while working for them as a live in nanny (to avoid my own homelessness) and anything I shared that I had learned from Gary's content, they shot down pretty quickly. To answer the question, I'm not sure where Jewel could go from here but as Gary says to mix things up, I think the book is an excellent idea! As we all know Jewel mostly from her music, being able to read about the journey she took sounds amazing to me! Wonderful interview and yes well done Gary for not speaking over her. Also, I've taken note of the nail-biting, ring spinning, and pen-chewing, those are all coping mechanisms of dealing with anxiety or hyperactive energy. I actually love that about Gary because I have crippling anxiety and recognizing that he's not afraid to be in front of the camera chewing a pen or biting his nails or spinning his ring makes me more comfortable about my coping mechanisms. I know I comment often on here but I truly cannot express how much these videos mean to me. I am going through such a difficult time and sometimes Gary's words are the only positivity I hear! I end up in tears over almost every piece of content because I'm trying to erase a lifetime of being called "poor white trash".

  • Samuel Flores Sanchez

    Jewel is incredible! have a strong personality and willpower. And is fun as hell! Thanks, Gary for bringing this fantastic guest!!!!!!

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