Mental Health & Gender (feat. Hannah Hart) | Kati Morton

Mental Health & Gender (feat. Hannah Hart) | Kati Morton


Kati: Hey Everybody! Today I’m sitting down with Hannah Hart Hannah: Hello! Kati: to talk about mental health and gender Oooh Hannah: ahhh! Hannah: I think it’s a valid point to enter a discussion about mental health but also discuss gender because I feel there’s kinda a lot of barriers between men, and taking care of their mental wellness as it’s often perceived as this kinda form of feminine weakness. Kati: Totally! And I think that that honestly has been difficult for men to reach out because, it’s not seen as the manly thing to do and then on the flipside I think women, and this is just my hypotheses based on what I’ve read, then women are marked like oop! they had it! They had it They had it but, um in all actually we’re just reaching out for help like at a ten to one basis to men. Hannah: So I have a question, As I’ve entered Hollywood I’ve noticed a lot of people spend a lot of time and money, and energy thinking about their bodies and their relationships with their bodies Now, I’ve always kinda thought that like, to be honest eating disorders was kind of a consequence of women feeling self-conscience about themselves but, now that I live here, I kinda think that some men may have troube with that too! Kati: yeah Hannah: is there any truth to that? Kati: Yeah, there definitely is and the, um, interesting thing is we had a new DSM come out for those of you who don’t know what the DSM is it’s just like the diagnostics bible for mental health clinicians. It’s not the end-all-be-all! The DSM came out two years ago a new one, first time in ten years, and they added in Binge Eating Disorder to it, as a diagnosis, Now, I know that it’s been going on forever and every since when I was in school but, they finally added in as a diagnosis and because of that we’ve found that over 40% (forty per cent) of those who struggle with Bing Eating Disorder are men. Hannah: Woah! Ugh! I’m checking myself right now because I probably literally I’ve never thought about binge eating and the relationship to men Though, if I think about people that Ive known in my life, you know; the image of a guy just kinda standing blankly in front of a fridge I would even think about that as binge eating. Kati: Yeah. Or like their carbo loading because they’re going to work out like that There’s a difference between what we consider in the past as “manly” or “OK for men to do” it’s OK for men to drink tons of beer and chicken wings or something but it’s not OK for women, or Hannah: cos thenit’s a disorder? Kati: Exactly! And I think that and I mean, this is just all us talking about this topic but, I think it’s important to recognise what stigmas we place and what assumptions we make when it comes to, especially eating disorders. Kati: The next common misconception that we hear about mental health when it comes to gender is that women are more pre-disposed to getting personality disorders more specifically, borderline personality disorder, uhm, and this I’ll just be short and sweet with this one because the truth of it is the way women deal with mental health issues is more internal. We tend to turn in on ourselves, we ruminate feel bad about ourselves we take it out on ourselves so they say that women like if we’re going to self-harm we talked about a little bit before like, if we’re gonna cut ourselves as a way of a way to cope we’re gonna end up in the hospital; we’re gonna get marked down as like a borderline personality disorder. And so, men may have the same symptoms, but it does not express itself outwardly, so it’s not getting marked down. Hannah: Woooah! Hold up: question? Kati: Uh huh? Hannah: So when you say borderline personality disorder, Kati: Uh huh. Errr… I, I walk me through the association with self-harm, to borderline personality disorder. Cos, when you say borderline personality disorder I think, like, what the guy has multiple personalities? I just don’t know what you mean! Kati: That’s OK! It’s a good question, So, someone with borderline personality disorder struggle with attachment, usually, it’s something that occurs to us when we’re younger, a lot of people who’ve had PTSD as a child won’t attach to a primary care giver; and we have, uh, like “I Love you/I hate you/I love you/I hate you” kind of feeling uhm, and I have a video I can link in the description if you want more details about it uhm, but because it’s a very emotionally expressive disorder, a lot of people said it’s women primarily and, we finally come out to find that’s not true. Hannah: Wow! So… Wow, this is all so interesting! But, also, so general! y’know? Kati: Yes! Hannah: I think a lot of the reasons why we’re drawn to compartmentalise in society today because we’re trying to understand things to a greater extent. So, if the things we’re saying – y’know don’t resonate-don’t feel right don’t sound right, It’s because they’re not 100 per cent statements because nothing is really 100 per cent statement There are a lot people on this planet Kati: Yeah, Hannah: and we’re just trying to understand how to help each other and help ourselves, to the best of our ability. Kati: Yeah, to make sure we’re getting the help we need and we’re not lumping everyone into a bucket and saying women are predisposed to eating disorders so, a man that is exhibiting an eating disorder behaviour just gets overlooked. I think the fault, honestly, falls on professionals like myself, knowing all the different symptomatology and how it may, erm; you know show itself and being able to recognise that “Oh, that might fall into here”, “I should ask these questions” Hannah: Right, so as a clinician, it’s your job to look past your own genda bias? Kati: Uh huh. Hannah: when, trying to seethe best way to helping someone might be? Kati: Yes. Hannah: So, the last time we got together and talked, we actually talked about hormones and stereotypes in terms of like, women’s mental and emotional imbalances do to hormones. Katie: Uh huh. Hannah: but, men have hormones in their body too, right? Kati: Yeah, and they too have oestrogen and testosterone as do women uhm, there’s just different levels, and they find that, uhm, like women, we were talking about in the PMS (PMT in UK) video how women have a monthly cycle of hormonal changes that shifts, but men have it daily. And, we talked a little about it in that video but just to reiterate that testosterone levels rise through the night for men and then go down after they wake up. And at 2 to 3 pm in that afternoon is when they’re the lowest and they might feel depressed, or lethargic, or even sometimes irritable just because of the hormone shift that has happened that day. It’s important to know that, hormones can play a role in mental health, but it’s not just a women’s issue. It’s not just a woman’s problem: we’re not the only ones with hormones I feel that’s like a message I’ve definitely heard and received growing up that…. Hannah: Growing up in our, what, horrible sex education system? [ KATI EXHALES ] where only 22 states provide sex education in schools and 13 of them have it anatomically accurate? Kati: Yes But it does speak to the fact that we can’t beat ourselves up for not knowing this and not having the common knowledge or thinking that all our current conceptions are true if we haven’t investigated them. Which is why it is so important that channels like yours exist because you’re bringing this knowledge, uhm, to everybody; it’s easily accessible. Kati: And I think it’s important that we, as people who have experienced different things, felt things differently, need to talk about it! I know I hear a lot from men viewers that they struggle with borderline personality disorder or eating disorders and know that you’re not alone and that doesn’t make you weird or wrong, Uhm, as for women, I think The thing I want to leave all of you with is that we reach out for help sooner. And that’s fucking awesome! Hannah: Yeah! Kati: The sooner we reach out the better I know for myself, if I let myself stew like from the moment I think “I probably should go back to see my therapist” if that goes on for too long, It gets harder and harder to make that appointment and get out and so, then I end up feeling worse for a longer period of time. So, the sooner we reach out the better and I think that’s why women are more resilliant at this but men, make the change. Hannah: That’s interesting. You know, you bringing that up yeah men, I like that, yeah, men make the change! WOW, I’ve learnt so much! And you know what? When In Doubt, Just Reach Out! Kati: Oooooh… I like it Hannah: everything’s better with a limerick Kati: You’re new to my channel, and you, like Hannah and myself find mental health information interesting and exciting don’t forget to subscribe-I put out videos every Monday and Thursday and I’ll put the links to the articles that I’ve found so that you can read and draw your on conclusion, because I feel the more we educate ourselves the more talk about it starting a conversation is the most important thing. Hannah: Kati, thank you so much for having me; thank you so much for being here it’s just so great to have these healthy positive discussions and I always feel like I walk away learning something. Kati: well, thank you for taking the time to talk to us And I will see you all next time. [ OUT TAKES ] Hannah: ding ding ding, ding ding ding-ding-ding! I like to shake it of a little bit! Kati: Uh huh! Hannah: Ooooh! Hannah: Not like that? Kati: but yes like that! [ THEY BOTH LAUGH ] Hannah: Sounds good? Hannah: Uhm! Kati: [ WHISPERING ] leave with a mesage of hope and recovery Hannah: Uhm! Leave with a message of hope andrecovery [ KATI LAUGHS ] Hannah: Good job!

Comments

(59 Comments)

  • Susie Purvis

    Kati you are so good at explaining these topics it's just lovely to listen to you because you can hear how much you care in your voice, and Hannah and you are great together!!!!! xo

  • Carmen

    Ah! ILY HANNA. So Interesting

  • 4staperkins

    So I have what I call "worst case scenario thoughts" For example if I'm waiting to cross the street I picture myself getting hit by a car, or if I'm on a balcony I picture myself falling off, if I'm driving I picture myself purposely hitting a car going the other way or hitting a tree. I also pictures thing happening to others. The thoughts are always in 3rd person. I just think it's a little odd. Any comments/ideas about them?

  • amandogart

    When men reach out for mental help, they're often seen as weak & "unmanly". It's really great that you guys are discussing this πŸ™‚ Great video!

  • Sepia Smith

    I was hoping for something regarding other genders outside the gender binary but this is still important info!

  • Johnny Mills

    I'm new to your channel I'm 38 male I've been struggling with depression for quite some time. I talked to a Dr he acted l Iike I was full of it. my wife and kids think I'm just fine my wife knows but acts like it's not that big of a deal ( my opinion ). you know I really have no clue what to do. I'm scared it could cause serious problems. help

  • Kristian179

    Can psychologists use NLP and the use of a patient's micro expressions in determining if a patient has a specific disorder?

  • DumbAssLoser

    Looking at all the glowing and gushing comments here, I wonder if anyone is depressed. I feel empty as hell watching other people be happy. I can't.

  • micayla chapman

    Your channel is really important to me. I don't have access to mental health care because my parents think that prayer and being closer to God is supposed to heal it. I think that yes religion and faith can help but it can be difficult to explain that I need help from a professional.

  • ohitsjaq

    Hannah is me lol πŸ˜‚ Ive learned a lot , thank you so much kati πŸ’“πŸ™Œ great video again , waking up in the morning with this makes my brain hyper πŸ˜‚ all the love xoxo best collab ever and your laugh ofcourse its so cuteeeee πŸ˜‚πŸ˜ okay bye!

  • Marilyn Vatican

    Love when you two get together! Great content! πŸ™‚

  • Libby Jones

    Hey Kati πŸ™‚ Here's a question for you and it would be awesome if you could address it in your next video. I'm currently in a treatment facility for trauma/anxiety, and even though I'm there to learn how to not be so anxious I'm still really really scared and I run out of group a lot because I start feeling like I can't breath. How can I make my transition and adjustment as smooth as possible, and also start staying in group more? Thanks!!

  • quazy modo

    thankyou kati ,i was reading up so much about BPD as i thought it was what i and a friend of mine had,im so glad you have opened up to the fact men can have this as i really think my male friend also has this..i find alot of the male rock musicians i like have BPD in reality when you think about it there is absolutely no reason why men cant have BPD since alot of BPD is caused from being born sensitive (that could happen to anyone right?) and then some invalidation thrown in there..and maybe a bit of PTSD and boom…(i have both )when im upset im am inwards but i think men are also like this because the information out there says its a "womens disorder"which i think is pretty daft and another reason is they get diagnosed with bi polar,i imagaine men have been taught extremely well to shut down and i understand this because i was bought up to be very guy like no crying or showing emotion in my family..new information and positive stuff needs to be out there about BPD and DBT (i,ll just chuck that in there since it saved my life )

  • Aladdin Senpai

    can u do more videos on BPD and how to tell if u may have it/making a self diagnosis?

  • Ma M

    agree!!! agree!! agree!!!

  • Ma M

    I have an eating disorder and I'm a women..however…I know many men with this too…I'm not totally happy with all the DSM changes to be honest…but the differences concerning eating disorders changes make me very happy!!!

  • Ma M

    and my husband has borderline personality disorder… and knows he does… and I LOVE your collabs with Hannah!!

  • Ma M

    Hannah I agree!!! I love this channel… it's another step towards awareness for all!!! and Kati….thank you!!!

  • Class Punk

    Here are some good links on male mental health.

    Therapist Tom Golden on male pain and how men tend to bond and cope with emotional pain:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7yaH-DVbYQ

    Spetznas on Male Shame:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl2wB7Lwizo

    Spetznas Youtube Channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbbeOA5K7Hhc3I2vWG1jZ0w

  • Ana Cristina

    i loved this video, one thing that i have been thinking for years now is that not only should sex education improve but also mental health education should be included in the education system as well; i live in mexico and that is something that we don't have and i believe is something that no one has, i could be wrong, but from personal experience i know that if mental health education would have been in my life sooner, things would have been so much better in terms of my disorder.
    this is just a thought and is something that i would like to see one day happen.
    lots of hugs and kisses from mexico.

  • Ashtin Paulet

    I recently had a really nasty breakup with a friend. The thing that I hate the most is that she used everything that I've told her against me. And she really got into my head how do I not allow her negative comments and digs to get into my head and threaten my recovery and pull me back.

    I'm in recovery right now for my depression and I'm doing really well and I'm set to terminate therapy this month (which is a huge accomplishment).

  • Eddie Escobar

    Thanks for addressing this.

  • Stace Irene

    I found a video of yours from a year ago and checked out your recent videos, was glad to see this collab love you both and this video was pretty interesting.

  • Allison Corona

    You should also talk about cultural biases and talk about how some treatments, disorders and illnesses exist in countries while others do not.

  • Christina Lannan

    Hi ! Katie ! Good to see Hannah ! ( Go Dr Who ) I totally understand this . Women I do believe go threw this with outward feeling . Guys just don't sometimes express due to there manliness. It's so sad . Just my thoughts . You both Rock <3

  • Christina Lannan

    P.S Katie Thank U for your channel ! You have helped me so much . Iv actually made a appt with my therapist that I needed ! Much Appreciated πŸ™‚

  • Lilly Moore

    I would like to see more videos about mental health and relationships. Like the pros and cons of dating someone with mental health issues, the emotional struggle of dating someone with mental health, or whats its like to date someone with a certain disorder, like bipolar, ADHD, depression, or PTSD to name a few.

  • Tyler Simmonds

    Awesome

  • Vania

    I get so excited when I see you guys have done a collab together!!

  • Marytere McDaniel

    I love your videos! I have always been afraid of starting a YouTube channel because of how it may affect my client relationships, but you definitely inspire me and inspire me to be more vocal about mental health!

  • tom jones

    Kati as a professional what do you believe about helping people who are also serious criminals like serial killers? Like would you refuse to help them or do you pity them?

  • DellaRsg

    Thank you for the way you addressed BPD. 😊

  • NinjaNerd007

    I'm going through a Gender in Adlerian Theory class right now and this was very thought provoking.

  • Alvar Harkonen

    Do a video on anger.

  • Chloe Bandy

    #katifaq hey, kati. I was just wondering if you could possibly do a video on pathological liars. If so it would be extremely helpful but I understand it's a rather unknown topic so don't worry if you can't xx

  • Theearthmoved

    Hi Kati. I have BPD/AvPD and PTSD. Thankyou for all your videos on PD. I live in England cuts to the NHS has meant I had to fight for 15 months to get therapy and then was only offered 12 weeks. I can't afford private. Your videos have helped me to feel like I am not bad because of my diagnosis.

  • Juliana Abreu

    Is it normal to stop ( just really stop) something you've just started? I mean, I always start something that I REALLY love at the moment and I just stop to want this and don't do it anymore. (It's really sad, because there is nothing I can finish. If I want to be the best at school I become it but after a while I just give up, even if I'M the best)
    Kisses from Brazil, love your videos.

  • Emily

    #katifaq hi kati. so i have a girlfriend and i am obsessed with texting her literally 24/7. im ok when i understand she is busy in school but i get very upset and passive aggressive when i know she isnt doing much but still isnt texting me. HELP! its ruining our relationship.

  • Kazooga 1234

    the funny thing about this video is that most of the males at TYT have therapists and talk about it and the females dont one of the females wants one but doesnt think she has the money for it so she just talks to the peoples at the office instead and gets help that way

    thx for this ha bisky vid

  • Kazooga 1234

    a lot of males also talk about how they binge eat or want to after a break up also with males sometimes they deal with relationships by fucking other peoples instead of binge eating

    there have been several different podcasts i listened to about how males deal with breakups and i had to watch charles trippy deal with his and it was extremely hard to watch because of his brain tumor more then half the time he couldnt even remember he was divorced

  • Kazooga 1234

    kati also with cutting i would say its more complicated then that because i had a friend that was dealin with a lot and instead of talking about it he had a flip out and he did cut himself (it was just a one time thing) but it was just because he was going through a lot all at once and was having a hard time finding somebody to talk to and didnt want to keep putting everything on me

  • Kazooga 1234

    that explains why jesse sometimes PMSs more then jeana done mainly when he is hungry though but then he says he is hangry for those times not PMSsing

  • Helena Leite

    hannah babe <3

  • John Cordray

    Hi Katie, thanks for getting your message out there. Good for you for helping bring awareness to mental health!

  • jesusismyfinalanswer

    Can you link the sources you used in the description?

  • Meredith Mynrose Universal Healer

    When in Doubt, Just Reach Out!~ HUGS !!!! Thank you Kati and Hannah!!! <3

  • Asphyxia612

    You are great. Do you have any advice about pursuing an Art Therapy degree?

  • Just another college boy

    I "exhibit" eating disorder behavior for two years and my parents just fond out because they didn't think that I could have it because I am a guy. Also talk about sexist there are 14 eating disorder clinics Massachusetts and none except male patients.

  • Cris

    You guys are awesome! <3

  • TheTiffanyTour

    Kati your channel is amazing and I'm glad there's a channel like this with this information!

  • Joshua Szwajkowski

    22 yr old male bpd sufferer. Big time hard sometimes. I do notice the ups and downs daily.

  • recycleonwednesdays

    Thanks for working to caption your videos! It helps me follow the videos better & I really love being able to share videos I watch and enjoy with friends and family members who rely on captions.

  • Ivy Souter

    I love the way Kati says we when she talks about people with that certain disorder. I'm not sure why. It just makes me feel as if she is no different than the rest of us. I just adore her!

  • Dillan-loves-phan

    Wait back to men and eating disorders didn't both Tyler Oakley and Shane Dawson suffer from an eating disorder

  • ak a

    This is a fascinating subject. I'm so glad it's being talked about.

  • Kris Fox

    first like then watch the video

  • Tom Palmer

    Because men don't bend, they break. The rate of suicide is higher in men.

  • Esoteric Ed

    I like the fact that you talk about what men go through, I respect you for caring about us.

  • Elissa

    Your line about self-harm and borderline personality disorder confused me. It made it sound like if you've self-harmed you have borderline personality disorder… but that doesn't seem right…?

  • Andrew Wright

    as a trans guy, i'm conflicted

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