Mental Health & Gender (feat. Hannah Hart) | Kati Morton
Kati: Hey Everybody! Today I’m sitting down with Hannah Hart Hannah: Hello! Kati: to talk about mental health and gender Oooh Hannah: ahhh! Hannah: I think it’s a valid point to enter a discussion about mental health but also discuss gender because I feel there’s kinda a lot of barriers between men, and taking care of their mental wellness as it’s often perceived as this kinda form of feminine weakness. Kati: Totally! And I think that that honestly has been difficult for men to reach out because, it’s not seen as the manly thing to do and then on the flipside I think women, and this is just my hypotheses based on what I’ve read, then women are marked like oop! they had it! They had it They had it but, um in all actually we’re just reaching out for help like at a ten to one basis to men. Hannah: So I have a question, As I’ve entered Hollywood I’ve noticed a lot of people spend a lot of time and money, and energy thinking about their bodies and their relationships with their bodies Now, I’ve always kinda thought that like, to be honest eating disorders was kind of a consequence of women feeling self-conscience about themselves but, now that I live here, I kinda think that some men may have troube with that too! Kati: yeah Hannah: is there any truth to that? Kati: Yeah, there definitely is and the, um, interesting thing is we had a new DSM come out for those of you who don’t know what the DSM is it’s just like the diagnostics bible for mental health clinicians. It’s not the end-all-be-all! The DSM came out two years ago a new one, first time in ten years, and they added in Binge Eating Disorder to it, as a diagnosis, Now, I know that it’s been going on forever and every since when I was in school but, they finally added in as a diagnosis and because of that we’ve found that over 40% (forty per cent) of those who struggle with Bing Eating Disorder are men. Hannah: Woah! Ugh! I’m checking myself right now because I probably literally I’ve never thought about binge eating and the relationship to men Though, if I think about people that Ive known in my life, you know; the image of a guy just kinda standing blankly in front of a fridge I would even think about that as binge eating. Kati: Yeah. Or like their carbo loading because they’re going to work out like that There’s a difference between what we consider in the past as “manly” or “OK for men to do” it’s OK for men to drink tons of beer and chicken wings or something but it’s not OK for women, or Hannah: cos thenit’s a disorder? Kati: Exactly! And I think that and I mean, this is just all us talking about this topic but, I think it’s important to recognise what stigmas we place and what assumptions we make when it comes to, especially eating disorders. Kati: The next common misconception that we hear about mental health when it comes to gender is that women are more pre-disposed to getting personality disorders more specifically, borderline personality disorder, uhm, and this I’ll just be short and sweet with this one because the truth of it is the way women deal with mental health issues is more internal. We tend to turn in on ourselves, we ruminate feel bad about ourselves we take it out on ourselves so they say that women like if we’re going to self-harm we talked about a little bit before like, if we’re gonna cut ourselves as a way of a way to cope we’re gonna end up in the hospital; we’re gonna get marked down as like a borderline personality disorder. And so, men may have the same symptoms, but it does not express itself outwardly, so it’s not getting marked down. Hannah: Woooah! Hold up: question? Kati: Uh huh? Hannah: So when you say borderline personality disorder, Kati: Uh huh. Errr… I, I walk me through the association with self-harm, to borderline personality disorder. Cos, when you say borderline personality disorder I think, like, what the guy has multiple personalities? I just don’t know what you mean! Kati: That’s OK! It’s a good question, So, someone with borderline personality disorder struggle with attachment, usually, it’s something that occurs to us when we’re younger, a lot of people who’ve had PTSD as a child won’t attach to a primary care giver; and we have, uh, like “I Love you/I hate you/I love you/I hate you” kind of feeling uhm, and I have a video I can link in the description if you want more details about it uhm, but because it’s a very emotionally expressive disorder, a lot of people said it’s women primarily and, we finally come out to find that’s not true. Hannah: Wow! So… Wow, this is all so interesting! But, also, so general! y’know? Kati: Yes! Hannah: I think a lot of the reasons why we’re drawn to compartmentalise in society today because we’re trying to understand things to a greater extent. So, if the things we’re saying – y’know don’t resonate-don’t feel right don’t sound right, It’s because they’re not 100 per cent statements because nothing is really 100 per cent statement There are a lot people on this planet Kati: Yeah, Hannah: and we’re just trying to understand how to help each other and help ourselves, to the best of our ability. Kati: Yeah, to make sure we’re getting the help we need and we’re not lumping everyone into a bucket and saying women are predisposed to eating disorders so, a man that is exhibiting an eating disorder behaviour just gets overlooked. I think the fault, honestly, falls on professionals like myself, knowing all the different symptomatology and how it may, erm; you know show itself and being able to recognise that “Oh, that might fall into here”, “I should ask these questions” Hannah: Right, so as a clinician, it’s your job to look past your own genda bias? Kati: Uh huh. Hannah: when, trying to seethe best way to helping someone might be? Kati: Yes. Hannah: So, the last time we got together and talked, we actually talked about hormones and stereotypes in terms of like, women’s mental and emotional imbalances do to hormones. Katie: Uh huh. Hannah: but, men have hormones in their body too, right? Kati: Yeah, and they too have oestrogen and testosterone as do women uhm, there’s just different levels, and they find that, uhm, like women, we were talking about in the PMS (PMT in UK) video how women have a monthly cycle of hormonal changes that shifts, but men have it daily. And, we talked a little about it in that video but just to reiterate that testosterone levels rise through the night for men and then go down after they wake up. And at 2 to 3 pm in that afternoon is when they’re the lowest and they might feel depressed, or lethargic, or even sometimes irritable just because of the hormone shift that has happened that day. It’s important to know that, hormones can play a role in mental health, but it’s not just a women’s issue. It’s not just a woman’s problem: we’re not the only ones with hormones I feel that’s like a message I’ve definitely heard and received growing up that…. Hannah: Growing up in our, what, horrible sex education system? [ KATI EXHALES ] where only 22 states provide sex education in schools and 13 of them have it anatomically accurate? Kati: Yes But it does speak to the fact that we can’t beat ourselves up for not knowing this and not having the common knowledge or thinking that all our current conceptions are true if we haven’t investigated them. Which is why it is so important that channels like yours exist because you’re bringing this knowledge, uhm, to everybody; it’s easily accessible. Kati: And I think it’s important that we, as people who have experienced different things, felt things differently, need to talk about it! I know I hear a lot from men viewers that they struggle with borderline personality disorder or eating disorders and know that you’re not alone and that doesn’t make you weird or wrong, Uhm, as for women, I think The thing I want to leave all of you with is that we reach out for help sooner. And that’s fucking awesome! Hannah: Yeah! Kati: The sooner we reach out the better I know for myself, if I let myself stew like from the moment I think “I probably should go back to see my therapist” if that goes on for too long, It gets harder and harder to make that appointment and get out and so, then I end up feeling worse for a longer period of time. So, the sooner we reach out the better and I think that’s why women are more resilliant at this but men, make the change. Hannah: That’s interesting. You know, you bringing that up yeah men, I like that, yeah, men make the change! WOW, I’ve learnt so much! And you know what? When In Doubt, Just Reach Out! Kati: Oooooh… I like it Hannah: everything’s better with a limerick Kati: You’re new to my channel, and you, like Hannah and myself find mental health information interesting and exciting don’t forget to subscribe-I put out videos every Monday and Thursday and I’ll put the links to the articles that I’ve found so that you can read and draw your on conclusion, because I feel the more we educate ourselves the more talk about it starting a conversation is the most important thing. Hannah: Kati, thank you so much for having me; thank you so much for being here it’s just so great to have these healthy positive discussions and I always feel like I walk away learning something. Kati: well, thank you for taking the time to talk to us And I will see you all next time. [ OUT TAKES ] Hannah: ding ding ding, ding ding ding-ding-ding! I like to shake it of a little bit! Kati: Uh huh! Hannah: Ooooh! Hannah: Not like that? Kati: but yes like that! [ THEY BOTH LAUGH ] Hannah: Sounds good? Hannah: Uhm! Kati: [ WHISPERING ] leave with a mesage of hope and recovery Hannah: Uhm! Leave with a message of hope andrecovery [ KATI LAUGHS ] Hannah: Good job!