OCD vs Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (How different are they?)

OCD vs Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder (How different are they?)


OCPD versus OCD, let’s talk about it…again. Hey YouTube, I’m back, again. I really miss having a more or less
regular upload schedule like at the start of this channel, but hey, at least
I’m still here and I’m continuing to try and grow the channel. And speaking of
which, why don’t you go ahead and hit that subscribe button right now. While
you’re at it, you may as well hit that bell looking thing that pops up after
you hit the button, or YouTube is just bound to unsubscribe you as they’re want
to do these days. Anyway, for now I just want to make sure that I’m happy with
each video I’m writing and that I’ve given the subject the respect it
deserves when I’m producing it. So that’s what I focus on when I’m able to right
now. I was going to put a personal update at the end of this video for my
subscribers, but after reevaluating the length of this video I’ve decided to
make a bonus companion video. I’m going to talk about some of the controversial
thoughts surrounding these two disorders and some of the common complaints in a shorter video that I’ll release at the same time as this one. In addition, at the
end of that video I’ll include a mental health progress report on myself, as well
as some details on big life changes that will impact this channel, hopefully for
the better. Okay so why am i revisiting the topic you’ll now see a link for in
the corner of this video? Well it’s actually for a really positive reason. Of
all of the videos on my channel it’s the video describing the differences between
OCD and OCPD that has received the most attention. And I’m not really surprised
by that as it’s what most online articles on OCPD focus on. And for people
searching for OCD symptoms online, finding my video or one of these
articles is usually how they discover OCPD even exists in the first place. But
it’s not merely because this video has done well that I’m filming a part two. The
original video was one of my earliest videos and I had always wished I’d
waited until I was more comfortable on camera before tackling the one subject
on my channel that was bound to get more attention than any other. Also I’ve had
enough feedback on the original video to know that there’s plenty more material
within this subject matter. And finally, why wouldn’t I make a follow up to this
video if the first video did so well in increasing awareness of what OCPD is and
what it isn’t? So I’ll not waste any more time and I’ll jump right into the topic.
I have to assume that some of you have not seen the first video and for those
people I’d suggest watching that episode before continuing with this current one. I’ve linked it in the description, but just to recap, we are
talking about obsessive compulsive personality disorder and
obsessive compulsive disorder. Aside from the obvious overlap in name, they share
some similar symptoms and are often mistaken for each other, even at times by
health care professionals. But just so we are very, very clear OCD and OCPD are not
the same disorder or alternate versions of each other. I didn’t name them so you
can’t blame me. What I did do in preparing for this video was to talk
with some people that suffer with OCD, OCPD, and some who even have both. What this means is that a lot of what I talk about in this video will be anecdotal.
Much of the information will be from other’s life experiences and not from
professionals. One of the first things you’ll find out and one of the things
I’m naturally curious about is to whether one of the disorders is more
difficult to live with than the other. I’m fully aware that this is not
something that we should be doing, but pretending we don’t think about the
things we do actually think about is not something I’m going to do on this
channel. I’m wondering, you’re wondering, and so I asked. Now I don’t have a
preconceived notion as to which disorder is going to be harder to live with, and
as there are levels of severity to both, you’re always sort of comparing oranges
to bananas. But for those that suffer with both, even they went back and forth
trying to figure out which had a greater negative impact on their lives. But
before we go too much further down this rabbit hole, let’s back up and take a
more clinical look at the two disorders for a minute. OCD or obsessive compulsive
disorder is the one that you’re going to be familiar with unless you’ve been
living under a rock, a gross dirty and unorganized Rock. OCD even comes with its own catch phrases, such as that’s just my OCD or I’m so OCD. By the way, I like to
digress in my videos, probably a compulsion, and so I’ll do that here. I’m
of the mindset that nothing in life should be taken too seriously. I’m also
of the mindset that no subject is so serious one can’t joke about it. Laughter
is actual medicine and I don’t go around policing other people’s words and
thoughts. However there are other people that think differently. If you are
someone that tries to always take other people’s sensitivities into account, some
people with OCD find it absolutely offensive when you make light of this
disorder or claim to have OCD or the symptoms, when in fact you do not and
what you really are is just anal retentive or particular or quirky. And while
there’s nothing wrong with that, you aren’t living with a mental disorder
that constantly interrupts and halts your ability to live a productive and
normal life. Personally it’s more offensive to me to hear bad jokes like
obsessive cat disorder or obsessive chocolate disorder than anything else.
But although I don’t think that myself or anything about me is above being
poked fun at or not taken seriously, I do understand how it’s upsetting to others
and I was asked to get that information out there, so that’s what I’m doing out
of respect to those that were kind enough to share their thoughts on the
matter with me. And please don’t get pissed off if you disagree with me. I get
that everyone is different and all I can do is acknowledge that. So again,
OCD is commonly known about, but what separates the memes and the jokes from
the at times life disabling disorder? Well first off it’s the thoughts that
lead to the compulsions. A seemingly uncontrollable repeating pattern of
unreasonable thoughts are the crux of this disorder. These are the obsessions.
Rarely is someone able to get these thoughts under control or out of their
mental space without then acting upon them. These are the compulsions. In fact,
the more someone with OCD tries to fight these compulsions the more distress and
anxiety they cause themselves. Now I mentioned that the thoughts are
unreasonable and so it’s important to understand what some common thought
patterns might be. Please keep in mind that I have an entire channel dedicated
to OCPD so I’m really only scratching the surface of OCD here. But to start, you
can group much of the thoughts into these categories: fear of contamination,
needing things orderly and organized, harming yourself or harming others, and
thoughts that are unwanted such as religious or sexual thoughts. This
predisposition is also known as having intrusive thoughts. Just as an example of
other directions this disorder could go in, you might find someone having
negative thoughts about parts of their body. There really is no end to the type
of disturbing thoughts someone with OCD might have. But most do fit into those
four I just mentioned. For fear of contamination, a person might not be
willing to touch anything in a public restroom or even their own restroom
because of contamination from germs. Or they may wash their hands an
unnecessary amount of times to eliminate the germs, thereby causing themselves
harm by washing until their hands bleed. They might not go to a park for fear of
getting dirt on their clothes. You find the symptoms most often referenced in
film and media are those having to do with organization. What people don’t
understand is that these thoughts are the ones that lead to
compulsive checking. Checking to make sure things are in their place or
symmetrical, or lists are completed, or things are turned on and off can be
carried out hundreds of times for hours on end.
This can make maintaining relationships and holding down jobs impossible.
Self-harm and the harming of others would seem to me to be self-evidently
debilitating. To feel as though by not completing a compulsion you’re putting
yourself at harm or you are risking harm to someone you love is obviously a
horrible thought to be experiencing. Never mind the fact that you might be
going through this thought process many times in just one day. And finally, the
intrusive or unwanted thoughts. These may be fought with defensive
alternative thought compulsions over and over inside one’s own head. Or sadly,
people may avoid contact with others so as to not inadvertently trigger these
intrusive thoughts. What I’d like to do before moving on to OCPD is to touch on
some personal accounts of OCD from the people I’ve been talking to. I’ll recount
two in particular as I have their permission,
but I’ll paraphrase for time. The first person explained to me that OCD is
completely irrational and adds an unrelated misfortune to whatever task
you force yourself to do. It’s like superstition on steroids. It’s insane to
correlate two obviously unrelated things, but the thought of losing something that
is your world is too much to risk by not completing the compulsion. It’s so
humiliating to talk about because you don’t want people to know you have to
blink 34 times in 32 seconds because you yourself know it’s stupid and you’re
terrified of the prospect of feeling guilty over a loss you caused or the
control you lose. When you feel hopeless your mind creates worst-case
scenarios and presents a task you must perform over and over in order to
relieve that feeling. On top of anxiety it can create panic disorders including
panic attacks. It’s embarrassing because you have the faculty of mind to know
these thoughts and compulsions are crazy. So you do what you can to try and hide
what it is you’re doing. Or how about this account of living with OCD: I can
say that with OCD I’m able to recognize it’s crazy, but it makes me feel better
completing the obsessions. I don’t like OCD. I recognize my OCPD
isn’t normal as well, as everybody else isn’t like me, but I feel that OCPD helps
me to be organized. I don’t like it either, but I feel as though it’s the
right way to be. I know that OCPD thoughts make me feel better than OCD thoughts. OCD seems like something I do and OCPD is like my life. It’s ingrained
in me. I just feel like OCD isn’t as much a part of who I am as the OCPD. It comes
up when I have an obsessive thought and those thoughts are significantly less
prevalent than the OCPD ones. I don’t know how people get the two confused.
The last experience is a perfect segue into us switching gears and moving into
OCPD for the rest of this video. So aside from the names, why is there confusion
between the two? Well let’s not ignore the fact that the general public for the
most part is unfamiliar with obsessive compulsive personality
disorder. So it’s kind of a big deal that only one word separates the two
disorders. That fact isn’t helping with the lack of awareness and really
complicates situations for those with OCPD when they go to explain the
disorder to an acquaintance or to a loved one. It’s no small thing that an
estimated 1% of the population may suffer with OCPD and nobody’s ever heard
of it. The other reason there’s confusion is that there are some crossover
symptoms. In fact, psychiatrists have been known to misdiagnose OCD if they
diagnose too early without really digging into the thought processes
behind the compulsions. As with OCD, you may find someone with OCPD that is clean
or organized to the point of obsessive, or rigid in their lists and schedules to
the point that it isolates them. So someone that excessively washes their
hands feels that everything has to be done perfect all the time may appear to
those around them to have OCD. But these two disorders are actually vastly
different. For one, OCPD is a personality disorder, specifically a cluster C
personality disorder. Meaning that the disorder is characterized by anxious and
fearful things or behavior. But specifically, any personality disorder is
a mental disorder in which you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking,
functioning and behaving. Personality disorders are deeply ingrained ways of
thinking and behaving that are inflexible and generally lead to
impaired relationships with others. In layman’s terms, OCPD is a way of thinking
instead of just having intrusive thoughts. It governs everything you do,
from choices about what restaurant to eat at to how to treat people in
different social situations. With OCPD you also find a lot of projection of the
disorder, so the rules that one sets for themselves can also be demanded of
others. This makes being in a relationship with someone with OCPD,
whether romantic or on a professional basis, extremely challenging. Some that
have experienced this have gone so far as to say impossible. Although it might
be easy to spot someone that displays the compulsive symptoms of OCPD, what you may be missing are the even more serious and harmful sides of the disorder.
These may include inflexibility, perfectionism, fixation with rules,
preoccupation with work and a propensity for anger when feeling out of control.
Another important difference is that it’s incredibly uncommon for someone
with OCPD to accept a formal diagnosis. Where with OCD those suffering are
acutely aware that they have the disorder, those with OCPD usually believe
that they are perfectly fine and it is everyone else that is in the wrong. Most
of the time someone with OCPD will never seek out treatment and if they do only a
small percentage of those will come to terms with the diagnosis and then go on
to begin treatment. I’ll defer again to another person I’ve been talking to
about their experience with the disorder. They told me that OCPD is more on an
analytical level. It’s when you think through the details of every little
thing. It’s hard to make simple choices and it causes us to struggle with making
the easiest of decisions. It is also the reason that we are constantly on the
defensive and feel the need to always argue that we are right. And as we put so
much thought into things, more so than anyone else, we believe that we are
always right. When we do anything, it’s either spontaneous because we’re too
overwhelmed to think something through or we feel as though we’re an expert
because we’re so certain and calculated. Yes we can seem just as obsessive as
someone with OCD, but our obsessions are based on logic not fear of unreasonable
outcomes. All that said, I won’t be visiting this particular topic again for
a while, so let me break this down for you one last time in my own words.
OCPD is like looking at the world through a bad pair of contacts that you
believe to be the correct prescription. Everyone else is seeing the world the
way it’s supposed to be viewed but you’re going around insisting that
you’re the only one looking at it correctly. It doesn’t matter how much
harm it causes to yourself, how infuriating it is to others, it’s either
your way or the highway. OCD is like needing a pair of glasses and only
having a bad pair handy. You know they aren’t the right ones, but it’s all you
have at your disposal to try and see things correctly. You’re both seeing
things wrong but only one of you realizes it. OCD causes you to repeat odd
behavior to alleviate unwanted thoughts and OCPD causes you to behave in a
manner that only you deem acceptable, damn the consequences. I’m gonna end this video in much the same way I ended my previous one. I’d like to mention that
for both sufferers of OCD and OCPD it can be hard to seek out help and
treatment. I think that one thing that we can all do to help is to talk more
openly about mental health and to each do our part to help de-stigmatize mental
disorders. I’ve provided some links from the previous video that I think are a
good step to getting the conversation started. I’ve also included some links to
sites that I think may offer some relief for those wanting to get things out into
the open. Thanks everyone for watching all the way until the end, oh and I want
to give a shout out to my brother Lewis Rossignol. I’ve mentioned him on this
channel before, this is off-topic, he’s an incredibly talented artist and he’s just
started his own YouTube channel. So I’m going to link to both his YouTube
channel and his Instagram in the description of this video, and you won’t
regret hopping on over there and checking him out. Anyway
don’t forget while you’re here to hit that subscribe button and to take a look
around, and remember I’ll be uploading a companion video to this episode as well.
As always please share your thoughts and questions in the comments below, and
despite what you’ve heard, I’m still Darryl and this is still my life in
debris.

Comments

(18 Comments)

  • Autism Enlightenment

    I have both but i never would have known that ocpd existed if it were not for you. Thank you for helping people to understand themselves. Paranoia and dissociation and panic attacks are dailey events but now i am willing to do breathing exercises to help stay in my body. Those are from ocd. My ocpd is the opposite. The actions are calming and completing my ruteins serves a more functional purpose unless i get stuck in a single activity which is where hyperfous is both a blessing and curse. My ocpd is all day every day. My ocd can spike in response to things and may consume me for some time but fluctuates. I have a crazy female hormone cycle that plays with both these disorders. It is exhausting

  • Flavio Menezes

    Can ocpd alone produce intrusive images?

  • Larissa Elf

    That was very good. I think I will watch the first one again…both give so much good information and make the the distinction quite clear.

  • Kat Barz

    How does one come about “inheriting” ocpd? I feel that other toxic personalities definitely made an affect towards OCPD.

  • Kaiser Zephan

    We need something called for the victims of the abuse from people with ocpd. I am 90% sure the person living with us has it and all the times she really pissed me off its because its ether over empty boxes, spoiled food or moving her stuff because she has too much and she wants the house run her way but the thing is. ITS NOT HER HOUSE >: .

  • izza rosydiana

    Plise subtitel indonesian.. Plizz🙏🙏🙏😭😭

  • First Last

    Can you interview a professional on a vid in future? About OCPD?

  • First Last

    The thoughts are not the compulsions. The actions to reduce the anxiety is the compulsions. Why do you say the unwanted thoughts are compulsions?

  • First Last

    Please dont appologize for quality and sound of vid. Its not supposed to be perfect remember? 😉

  • Radek Pilich

    Where are you getting the 1% statistic from? I've read OCPD is around 8%.

  • Brandon Dawson

    I have watched you before. I've been struggling all my life and it is so easy to try to let it win and take over. For me it is work related and I let my life outside of work crumble. So here I am starting again. You have helped me so much and I am enternally grateful.

  • John Vella

    It has been very tricky for me to distinguish for myself which one I have, (even though you are quite clear in your explanation) because I seem to have elements of both going on at the same time. I feel as though I have OCPD in terms of it being a fixed way of thinking, however I also recognize it as a major problem and truly wish I didn't think this way. Like OCD, the thoughts are also intrusive, I know it is distorted irrational thinking, but the harder I try to shake it off by rationalizing, the more anxious I get. Any thoughts on this? Thanks a million. Appreciate this page.

  • Kitty The Kid

    Before I continue the video, I'd think ocd is "harder" to live with because of how the ticks and stuff bug the sufferer where as (at least for me.) Fixing the proverbial painting gives me relief; I want it done and I'll try my damnedest to do so. However its not the end of the world if I can't figure it out or if some 3rd party is in the way of my success. Let's see how close I was…

  • L K

    The OCPD part was a surprise to me that it is even a disorder and not life qualifications. The OCD I always knew about but didn't realize the extent until recently, age 41.

  • Sandiswa Stuurman

    thank you so much , you made it easy to understand and explained it better than my professor lol… I'm having Psych exam

  • Abigail Escobar

    Thank you. It really helps. I have OCD but i wonders if i suffer from OCPD too. This is really hard.

  • Jessica Rose

    Is it possible to have both?. I was diagnosed with OCPD but when I was a kid I remember having to stay up all night after being tucked in to organize, I can’t write unless it’s perfect exc obviously it’s absolutely horrible now but I try to maintain things…. I won’t go into now but I feel like I must have OCD with how I live my life..

  • ADHD Superpowers

    Keep the videos coming you’re a natural! And the glasses look great 👍🏻

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